Topics include:
*Amazing Spider-Man ending with # 700
*Superior Spider-Man begins
*Alpha gets a mini series
*Jamie Foxx is rumored to be Electro and Shailene Woodley cast as Mary Jane in Amazing Spider-Man 2.
* A cosplayer dressed as Black Cat was harassed at a recent comic con.
* A dude dressed in a Spider-mask streaks a football game.
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BD – I can’t remember if you weighed in on ASM being cancelled and your thoughts on the Superior Spider-Man creative team.
JGC21, I often do however I’m the host. So it’s my job to set the topic up and let the gang discuss. I also have to listen to when I think it’s time to move on. Is there a topic that I didn’t give my 2 cents on ?
Wow, this was an intense podcast. There was a lot of Spidey news and everyone was in fine form giving their opinions. I thought all of you did a great job making your points. Question though, Brad – how come you never give your thoughts/opinions on the Spidey news?
And for the record, I think Chris and Kevin are both right with their theories for Superior Spider-Man. Perhaps Doc Ock does take over Peter’s body but doesn’t become Spider-Man? Instead, he and Tyberious/Tyler Stone bring Miguel to the present to change the future?
Overall, good show.
What is “trackback” from your own site. what does that mean? Please explain.
great podcast.
What I think attributes to the mysogynist nature of some comic fans is the fact that comic books by majority are male power fantasies. In the Silver Age, the girlfriends and love interests were only as diverse as their occupations, and regularly pined for marriage I.E. getting with a man. As the medium grew towards the Dark Age, the burst of Bad Girl characters like Lady Death, Shi, Angela from Spawn and others regulated the image of a typical female superhero who went for the bikini look in their costumes. Coupled with tragic backstories that made them come off as mentally imbalanced or accentuated their sexuality in ways which catered to the male gaze, it’s very difficult to look at the history of women in comic books and see a lot of societal progression. Characters like Kitty Pride who’s gender wasn’t largely an issue were pretty rare.
That’s how I think the industry itself has contributed to this problem. I’m not saying that every female characters in comics were created in order to be ingratiated towards male sexual fantasies. At the same time, the roles of women in comics were rarely segregated from male predilections. That’s mainly the fault of society, and how women in our country have progressed over time rather than any active intent of the writers themselves.
Instances like these just illustrate how much more we need to go as a country in order for total equality. Granted, I think the majority of people on this website abhor what the interviewers did and take Mandy’s side that she was harrassed. The fact that this is even being called “a debate” in terms of the active or passive role she played in this however is very telling of the effect women have in today’s society in relation to how men are inclined to perceive them.
Sexism, like racism in this modern age, is coded. No one has to be a card-carrying member of the He-Man-Women-Haters-Club in order to have hangups on how women act. More often than not, if a woman is upset, or angry, or sexually active of their own accord, or acting in any way that leans away from gratifying men, the sexism is in the negative responses towards those instances. This also goes in line with general glee or elation whenever a woman is on the receiving end of some offense or aggression. I remember when the Avengers came out, I thought one of the really cool scenes was when Black Widow tricked Loki into revealing that the Hulk was part of his plan. But the one part people tended to talk about more than anything in regards to that scene was the fact that Loki got away with calling Natasha a “quim”. Folks were delighted with that, for no other reason I can surmise other than what “quim” means in a derogatory context. In this instance, not everyone who cheered Loki on hates women, but it shows how the mysogynist aspect of people’s perceptions of women is still very pervasive.
I don’t remember who said it on the podcast or the exact phrasing, but someone said that comics attract these kinds of geek misogynists. That’s half true, but it implies comic writers and artists produce benign content and these guys are attracted to it for inexplicable reasons. We shouldn’t let comic writers and especially artists off the hook for creating misogynistic stories and images in the first place.
If anything, it’s mutually reinforcing, and it’s not limited to comics. Just about every bit of pop culture you saw from 1980-1997 (which, I’m guessing, is the formative years for these guys) portrayed the geek/nerd/dweeb enduring the taunts of jocks and rich kids only to get the girl in the end. It’s almost an implied trade-off. Survive the taunts, beatings, fruitless pining and rejection in high school and you’ll be rewarded with a hot chick. Don’t bother asking the hot chick for her input. That’s irrelevant.
And when that implied transaction of taunts and rejection for hot girlfriend doesn’t come true in real life, it can’t be *my* fault. The hot girl isn’t cooperating. That bitch. Which leads to…
@#16
I don’t think they thought they were suave because I doubt they thought it would actually result in any kind of sexual response. I’ll bet dollars to increasingly rare Hostess Twinkies that they realized she would never give them the time of day *and that in itself made her a bad person.* So who cares how she’s treated because she needs to be taken down a peg? In fact, they probably thought of themselves as striking a blow for rejected geeks everywhere.
The sad part is, those guys probably thought they were being real suave. I hope they all enjoy their permanent virginity.
@#13
I’m not saying she had it coming. I’m saying I kinda understand why it happened. She didn’t deserve that. No one does. I don’t care if anyone says I have to be 100% either way about it. That’s MY opinion of it
@#11
I’m implying that I’ve lost friends that way.
Okay, I’m going to add one more thing. Regarding those who say ‘she had it coming’, those people sound like they’ve never been to a convention. Cosplayers are a big part of most cons. They bring so much color and flair to any show. They should be celebrated and applauded, not harassed and denigrated.
I don’t want to keep this argument going. All I want to add is my kudos to Josh and Kevin for their strong stand on the podcast. You two nailed it 100%.
@10 – What are you implying? I’d use board discipline to punish you for disagreeing with me?
I’m gonna say it again. There is NO POINT in arguing with a moderator.
I don’t know who everyone else had in mind and I’m not naming names myself.
Any variation of “she had it coming,” “she brought it on herself,” “she was asking for it,” “she should have known it would happen,” or “she shouldn’t be so surprised” is offensive to me, though. Like Bertone said in comment five, this is not flirting or leering eyes. This is someone demanding physical contact of a sexual nature on camera in front of an audience, followed by people shouting cup sizes at her. That is shocking. There is NO allocation of guilt other than 100% on the perpetrators, there is NO limit to what outrage a person can express about that after the fact, and there is NO way that type of behavior should be anticipated before the fact.
@#5
People claimed I was throwing all the guilt on her and excusing the a**holes. which I wasn’t. I just didn’t pick the best words to express that.
And ohdeargod, you guys were talking about me, weren’t you?
Sometimes bad grammar happen.
…and Bertone has no grammar
People seem to be thinking a guy stared at her and said “looking good”.
That isn’t what happen. She was sexually harassed on camera with an audience watching.
Okay, I can already see that this is headed somewhere bad. I know on the podcast we directed some choice words to the people who offended us. That wasn’t an invitation to say all bets are off on this topic when it comes to the website. JT, I appreciate and agree with 90% of your post but I don’t want this thread to turn into a “she had it coming!” “no, you’re just a hillbilly!” type of match.
That doesn’t mean I want this discussion to discontinue or that expressing offense at certain ideas isn’t warranted.
Enigma, as long as there are still people who believe that attractive women in attractive outfits are invited harassment and humiliation onto themselves, this debate NEEDS to continue. This discussion only becomes moot when women are treated like human beings instead pieces of meat who should have known what would happen when they stepped into the rottweiler pen.
Plus it was a major topic on the podcast, and this is a thread to talk about the podcast.
Are we gonna do this again, fellas?
Whoa, here I come to the comments section to say how epic this podcast was in a million different ways and how awesome it was listening to it and the first comment that I see is someone still defending the “She had it coming because she dressed that way/wanted attention” rotten argument, this time backed by some gross statement saying she was attractive so she should have been prepared for the harassment. Like, seriously? Man, I just hope you flatteo are either just some high school kid who doesn’t know better or come from some impoverished, socially backward underside of a rock in a God forsaken corner of the planet.
Back to the podcast, as I said before, man you guys were all kinds of cool. Probably it was the varied range of topics which presented an opportunity to let you folks showcase your immense insight, both of the geeky and socially profound kinds at different points. Plus you had loads of fun at other spots in the podcast too. Amazingly wholesome bunch of dudes. Ole Webhead would be so proud! =)
saw that article on facebook about the Black Cat girl who was harassed…
I’ve got mixed feelings on that.
1. part of me feels that If she dresses in a revealing fashion, she has it coming. a girl being dressed in a leather suit with her boobs hanging out? I mean come on. she obviously wants the attention. And she is attractive too, which is undoubtedly going to draw in compliments that range from hitting on to harassment.
2. but at the same time, it’s inexcusable for the guys who did that to do so. her boobs hanging out doesn’t make it okay for them to act that way, and somebody should have set them straight for doing so. and it was made worse by the fact that they did it so publicly.
idk. main idea? Black Cat girl, stop dressing like that. Loser/asshole fanboys? stop harassing women. it’ll never get you laid, and you only come off looking like an ass.