You asked for it and here is the fight you wanted. George takes us back to 1988 to see the first fight between Spider-Man and Venom in Amazing Spider-Man #300. JR is along for the ride and he also has a great theory on who would make a better Venom than Eddie Brock.
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@George: But they’re good for your heart!
Yeah I never minded the spy parents idea but it really would have worked best if, get this, Peter never knew about their work or double life.
@AndrewC
“probably the first big mistake in removing Peter from his everyman roots (unless you count making his parents spies, but I actually like that).”
In defense of the spy story, it *was* written by Stan Lee, so it’s not something added to Peter’s past by a future writer (who are we to argue with Stan?). Plus I don’t remember Peter’s parents being mentioned after this story until JMD’s The Child Within story, and that story only talks about his parents dying, not them being spies. I don’t think the spy part is mentioned until the robot parents storyline. So it hardly ever comes up.
@AndrewC
I don’t like beans either and I’ll never get over that, so…
I am partial to the ASM 375 (and 374) Venom fight because that is what got me into Spidey in the first place.
Good podcast, guys. Y’know I never really thought about how much of a misstep it was making MJ a “super-model”, but in retrospect that was really ……. stupid. And probably the first big mistake in removing Peter from his everyman roots (unless you count making his parents spies, but I actually like that).
Also, not trolling, but George really needs to get past his irrational clones/symbiotes hate. It’s limiting. His Ultimate universe hate? Totally justified though.
I was 8 years old when this issue came out. I vividly remember when McFarlane took over the art on ASM with #298. It was shockingly different from the Marvel house style we were used to.
#300 blew me away as a kid, I probably read it dozens of times. I still have my old copy but it is very worn (but still in one piece!). This was the best appearance of Venom, and as a follow-up, #316-317 were great too.
I can also say without hesitation that #300 is my favorite comic book of all time.
Nice FNF! Can JR be on all of these from now on?
I agree ASM316 and 317 would be a good one.
Yeeeah…dont…dont go reaching for too much. George gave us this one. This will probably be the only one.
Excellent! Now do ASM 316-317, and you’ll have Venom’s best fights covered. (Although 375 and Spider-Man Unlimited 2 had some good throwdowns with the character.)
I’ve got to get to this ASAP, but I can’t as of this typing. Imagine my surprise to see a Venom pic front and center on the podcast main page.