The last few days, Marvel has been revealing their new line up for one of their front runner books after Secret Wars. Marvel quickly ushered out an official look at the new roster and the full Uncanny Inhumans cover on Wired UK Thursday morning.
The All-New All-Different Avengers shows the full team, it will be comprised of “an” Iron Man (Wired’s wording), Sam Wilson Captain America, Lady Thor, Nova (Sam Alexander), the Vision, Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) and the Spider-Man from the Ultimate universe, Miles Morales!
Although not listed, the earlier leaked version of this cover listed Mark Waid, Mahmud Asrar and Laura Martin as the book’s creators. Asrar has confirmed his involvement on social media that he will be on All-New, All-Different Avengers but didn’t comment any further. No word yet from either Waid or Martin on their involvement. All-New, All-Different Avengers will be part of Free Comic Book Day on May 2nd along with the Uncanny Inhumans by Charles Soule, which will have Johnny Storm of the Fantastic Four joining The Inhumans’ street team.
So what does everyone think? Miles Morales is officially part of the Avengers, which means the Ultimate Universe might be indeed over after Secret Wars. Or how about Johnny Storm heading over to Uncanny Inhumans?
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Wow, even the green hands are duplicated.
Clearly Marvel is out of ideas and they are just throwing crap at a wall and hoping something sticks.
@#47 Magnetic Eye – Wow, that had to be intentional — in which case, I’m…really confused and speechless.
The All-New All-Derivative Avengers kinda reminds me of this cover.
@45 – Wouldn’t really call Miguel or the Ultimate universe version of Miles knock offs, they’re both perfectly acceptable versions of Spider-Man, with character traits that make them different to the original. Should either of them replace Peter Parker though? No absolutely not, Marvel should put some effort into Peter’s character instead of just replacing him (again).
As for Marvel’s comments of “it could be anyone under that mask”, I don’t buy it. Why put this supposedly “new” Spider-Man in a costume that’s exclusively associated with Miles? I can’t believe that Marvel wouldn’t want to give a brand new Spider-Man a new costume so they could sell toys or something.
If it’s not Peter Parker under the mask, then it isn’t Spider-Man. He’s not just a mask and a power set.
Period.
The rest are just gimmicks and knock-offs.
@43 the sad truth is the comics you’re talking about I fear are dead and gone this is the PC cool hip young teenvengers. You would think after the major backlash DC got for new 52 marvel wouldn’t be so brazen and arrogant to show they can do it better but here we are. It’s funny in maybe 10 years after secret wars is long over with people will look back on the marvel universe afterwards and grimace at what it is. There’s the silver age the golden age and this will be known as the copper or aluminum age.
It’s the All-New, All-Derivative Avengers because it’s easier for Marvel to force feed teenage versions of popular established characters instead of creating new original ones using good creative writing.
I remember being a ten year old getting into comics. You know why I got into comics? Because I liked to read good stories, NOT because the characters had to be young for me to enjoy what I was reading.
Marvel’s teeny-boppers riding on the coat-tails of their original, better and more popular predecessors.
So is this their solution for fixing the terrible amazing spider-man? By possibly getting rid of a character we’ve grown attached to and been with through all the years. And is this avengers or the teenvengers? I feel like tony stark if that is him in the suit will be helping them with homework and talking them through their first crushes and driving them to prom. This isn’t looking good.
If Miles is going to be the main character in the post Secret Wars ASM issues, then I might as well stop buying them. .
Well they said at ECCC last night that Peter Parker will be around after Secret Wars but didn’t say how.
Hmm for some reason the spam filter is blocking me. Ultimate Peter Parker is not dead.
Axel Alonso is saying “who knows who’s actually under the mask here?” but it’s gotta be Miles. I would like to see Peter adopt Miles as a younger brother, because Miles might not have a family after Secret Wars, and might need someone to look out for him. That could be interesting. Miles could be off with the Avengers, while Peter takes care of New York
Yes and as we saw, both different books. Just that Miguel actually gets to be the star of his own book and figure things out for himself in inventive ways. What we’ve been missing in the main book for a while now.
@34 “two characters called Spider-Man both appearing in separate books that take place in the same universe” for what it’s worth, that’s already happened with Spider-Man 2099 for half of the current run, and it didn’t destroy the brand.
@32
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5. Profit!
Looking more and more likely that Peter will be retired as Spider-Man after Secret Wars. I’d be surprised if there are two characters called Spider-Man both appearing in separate books that take place in the same universe. Don’t know why Marvel couldn’t have kept Miles in a rebooted version of his own universe, he’d work better there.
That sums it up perfectly .
An awful lot of Marvel editorial’s reasoning that I’ve read over the last six years has been:
1. This is what we would like, because we think it’s cool.
2. Reverse-engineer some “reasons”.
3. Get all testy at fans who point out when the reasons are arbitrary.
Its funny you talk about a character being laid out out as the new version of the hero. That’s what happened with Sam. All of a sudden for Marvel, Richard Rider was just “too old and experience” to stay Nova. So, we got Sam as a result, which really burned a lot of the Nova fan base. Even James Gunn has gone on record saying he can do the Nova Corps as they are in the MCU but he can’t work out Nova with either Richard or Sam. He just doesn’t like the concept or feels it will not transfer to film well. We will get more on the Nova Corps in GoG 2 and Infinity War movies but that is not the point I’m making. Sam all of a sudden had to BE Nova because that Marvel wanted. Part of the “youth” trend they want to stick to doctorate on. Now, while Sam has won a lot of readers over, they went out of their way to make it that Richard wasn’t coming back as shown during Original Sin. While Richard Rider we know and love still exists in the MC2 universe, just older and more experience. Sam HAS to remain Nova no matter how much history rewriting had to be made to make the concept of a 14 year old teen from Arizona to be Nova because his father was a Black Ops Nova that NO ONE knew about and be beaten over the head on Ultimate Spider-Man because he was Jeph Lobe’s creation. Plus, this was to make a new Nova that was “better relatable” to younger readers because that’s what “we needed”.
So, now we are kind of getting that with early speculation on Miles if Marvel truly wants its cake and eat it too as Stillanerd perfectly put. The constant argument about the FF are able to age, marry and grow as a family was because it didn’t change their dynamic of a family in any shape or form. Yet, they can’t hold that same truth of Peter having great power comes great responsibility with being married or having a kid.
He can only remain responsible by being shoved other people’s misfortunes and acting like an idiot who can have a PhD but can’t tie his own shoes. Because its the Peter Parker “we need” and not what we want. While Miles can fulfil both those needs on paper.
@#29 – Yeah, that’s why I kinda have to roll my eyes at Slott saying that considering how he’s made Peter a second-fiddle to other characters throughout his run, especially during Superior and afterwards. Considering how he’s treated the franchise and the character of Peter Parker, I don’t think he has much of a basis for saying that “Whichever Spider-Man you care about is the real Spider-Man” considering how he’s handled the Spider-Man that most people care about and seems more interested in his own characters and Spider-creations.
This roster is certainly fits as an “All-New All-Different” Avengers team with those members, and definitely not what I was expecting. You have the classic Avengers Trinity, only with female Thor and FalCap, with Iron Man possibly not even being 616!Tony, and a veteran member in Vision. But in contrast with that there’s some less experienced teen heroes on the team with Nova (Sam), Spider-Man (MIles), and Ms. Marvel (Kamala). The last three are definitely pretty surprising, especially Kamala, since I would think their ages would prevent them from joining a main Avengers team and that they would just get reserve status. Though Sam and Miles have both had a lot of experience and adventures in their own right, so that works in their favor, but compared to them I’d say Kamala is still too much of a young rookie to deserve full Avengers status, even if I love the character. But Mark Waid is more often than not an awesome Superhero scribe, so that definitely makes me more hopeful for the book overall and might mean we’ll finally be getting a more classic Avengers feel from the flagship book compared to Bendis and Hickman’s run.
As far as Miles taking over as the main Spider-Man over Peter? I love Miles, and I’ll continue to read his stories, but I really don’t want that to come at the expense of Peter retiring. But it would be just like Marvel to finally bring back the marriage, which I’m all for, only to add the catch that Peter will have to retire because of it and Miles will become the De-facto Spider-Man post-Secret War. It’s like they can’t admit they were wrong to get rid of it in the first place, so they bring it back and then use it to justify why they removed it by having Peter stop being Spidey. Would it be too much to have Peter and Miles both as Spider-Man post-Secret War, with Peter still mentoring Miles while juggling his family, career, and Superhero duties? Because that’s a scenario I would much prefer honestly.
Though if Miles is becoming the main Spider-Man, that probably means Bendis is taking over as the flagship Spider-Man writer. I’m not sure how I feel about that. I mean, it’ll definitely be an improvement over Slott, but Bendis is pretty divisive in his own right and I haven’t heard that many positive things about his Uncanny X-Men. But it would definitely be good to get some new blood on the main Spider-Man book, my own concerns about the direction aside.
True to form, Marvel has drawn the exact wrong lesson from the success of SSM: “Anyone can be Spider-Man.” When the lesson is, “Dan Slott writes a good Doc Ock, and writes a poor Peter Parker.”
@27
This was some of the same ideas that was the reasoning behind the New 52 for DC Comics. Let’s get our characters young again, get rid of marriages, kids, legacy and go with a “Only have been around in 5 years” and add more real world views to the DCU because that’s what readers needs since its 2011! Now four years later they are trying to clean up that ideology and want to go back to: “Telling good stories” which is what it should be to begin with. I do hate how writers and editors say: “Boy, I wish this character wasn’t married anymore or had a family.” “I could tell such great stories without that baggage.” NO! To tell great stories you have to either deal with the cards you are dealt or chart your own path. However, charting your own path is what we got with Slott. Where he even threw out his own stories to make current ones work and they don’t make anything sense. Even after saying he “respects continuity.” Of course, its about what we “need” not what we “want.” You know the age old question about having a successful budget is always need over want. Peter the last few years is his want over his need and that has lead to this era of stories that don’t have a relatable everyday hero but a manchild who “can’t balance a checkbook.”
They have Miles who deals with that struggle and also places the need above the want. He has seen what happens when he puts his want ahead of him and he learns from it. Miles has become the Spider-Man that readers “want” over the need. Doesn’t mean I excuse the behavior for this strange “youth” doctorate that Marvel wants over their need to have it. Its just like a few years ago where the 12-24 demograph was all TV networks cared about because their other viewers were “too old” to watch their types of shows. Then they realized in this day and age that demograph will watch what they want and sure they spend more than anyone above or below that age. However, when they just targeted that age range they realized they alienate other viewers. Why shows like Madam Secretary and Goldburgs have been successes because of appealing to all those ages and of course smart/good writing.
If Mark Waid is the writer and he brings his A game to the series then this will be a success and will cement Miles into the NuMU. As for Peter… we can only hope because when you have the smallest hope then you can have everything.
So ok…Marvel replaces Peter with Miles. Peter goes off with Mary Jane and their child and leaves the life of Spider-Man behind passing on the mantle to another with almost the exact same powers. Now Marvel has their young hip and relateable Spider-Man while getting rid of that “old” Spider-Man.
Problem is that is the plot of the Clone Saga…and that didn’t work. It would only be a matter of time before people are demanding the return of the “real” Spider-Man. AKA Peter Parker. Then what are they going to do? Kill off Miles and bring back Peter? The now married and father Peter Parker? They can’t very well have him make another deal with the devil. They’d have to live with it.
Actually I changed my mind…I love this idea. Go ahead and do this Marvel and I might get what I want back in Spider-Man and Marvel would just have to grin and bear it. Through their own short sighted “youth” movement they are going to end up with exactly the opposite.
My response didn’t post. I wanted to reply to Stillanerd, but the glitch is happening again. Can someone please help to unearth my post? Thank you so much.
Exactly. We’ve watched Peter graduate high school, struggle through college, graduate, and then struggle to earn a living in the real world. He’s been a long-time photographer. He’s been a teacher. Now he’s putting the science degree to use and has his own company. We’ve watched Peter evolve from a nerdy teen to a young adult and there’s been nothing wrong with that. There should be no reason why that can’t continue. Why is it Reed Richards can have a successful marriage (I’m assuming, I don’t read Fantastic Four) and evolve into a parent while balancing a super hero career, but not Peter? For over 20 years the writers at Marvel have been successful at writing stories about a married Peter Parker. I find it hard to imagine that the well has run dry and the only way they can sell books is by turning back time on Peter Parker.
That’s the thing, the present day Spider-Man should be Peter Parker as the everyman who does struggle with life both as a person and as a superhero. However, Marvel does have this horrible doctorate in their heads that Peter should be about “youth” there exact words. Here they have the chance with Miles, there is your young Spider-Man who has gone through tragedy and has to deal with being a superhero and the life of a normal teen. In fact life as normal teen who is in a different world than Peter Parker ever was. Peter as a teacher or working as the tech director for the Daily Bugle works because they are everyday that can put a living wage but at times can also put you in tight spots. You might make 60K in a well paying job but what happens when your plumbing breaks down? What about student loan payments or rent going up and messing with your budget? Those are struggles and doesn’t mean Peter is living on easy street just because Doc Ock paid off his bills and had Peter finish up his PhD. Even people with advance degrees still struggle don’t all run their own companies. Turning Peter into a “manchild” to satisfy editorial’s view of what Peter “should be” and what they “want him” to be is what really goes against the character. As stated by many critics and other people here on the site. They are set on giving us, the fans and readers what they believe “we need” not what we want. I’m good with Miles here but at the same time it doesn’t change what Marvel’s current view on Peter is. He has to be a guy who is constantly having the football yanked from him and can’t learn or grow up. He has to just be a loser who needs others to help him. That’s not Peter Parker and if that’s what they believe then what Spider-Man stories were they reading from 1965-1992?
Sorry, present day Spider-Man has to be Peter Parker. You can have a Miles Morales as Spider-Man in an alternate universe. You can have a Miguel O’Hara as a Spider-Man of the future, but there’s absolutely no replacing Peter Parker in the present day. What makes Peter Parker so appealing to me, and why I’ve been a fan for so many years, is the witty battle banter. Delivered by someone else, it just won’t be the same.
I will surely have a hard time convincing my daughter to pick up a non-Peter spidey. She loves him, not just the mask.
Oops, I meant @#19 instead of @#20. 😉
@#20 spideymaddox —
Which are fair points, but keep in mind that, unlike the other characters such as the Avengers, Dr. Strange, SHIELD, Daredevil, Inhumans, etc., Marvel Studios do still do not have complete control of Spider-Man; rather, they’re in partnership with Sony, in which each studio has agreed that Spidey can be in Marvel Studios films, and Marvel Studios characters can be in Sony Spider-Man films. Second, as I said in comment #17, given the reception towards Miles and SpOck, I suspect Marvel is operating under the assumption that Amazing Spider-Man can be just as successful even if Peter Parker isn’t Spider-Man. Not hard to imagine the sales estimates would be pretty huge if they came out with, after Secret Wars, Miles Morales: The Amazing Spider-Man #1, or All-New Amazing Spider-Man #1 showing Miles on the front cover.
But regardless of what happens to Peter post-Secret Wars, I think it’s safe to presume that, with this cover for All-New, All-Different Avengers in which Miles is predominate and literally front-and-center, Marvel is not only saying that the 616 and Ultimate Universes will remain fully integrated, but that Miles, not Peter, will be the go-too Spider-Man in the “All-New Marvel Universe.”
@ #8 would it make financial sense for Marvel to retire Peter? Peters Spider book out sells Miles by a pretty huge gap. plus if Marvel Studios is casting a teenage Peter that makes me think they want to lock a young actor into a long term contract, so if Peter is in the movies for the foreseeable future wouldnt they want him in the comics as well?
dont get me wrong -I would rather see Peter happily retired with M.J and watch my hero ride off into the sunset than to see him as mismanaged and poorly written as he has been these past few years. plus if anyone other than Peter is Spider-man that means I will be saving all that money I have been spending on comics.
Exactly!
@#13 & 14 Evan — Well, I think there may be a lot of factors in play here behind a potential Peter retiring and Miles being the Spider-Man of the Marvel Universe at play.
First, under the current management at Marvel, they consider Spider-Man to be about youth. That’s their justification behind One More Day, that marriage made Peter “too old” and thus erasing it would return him being “younger” and bring back his characteristic relationship troubles. However, Peter being young and single again hasn’t really worked out as well as Marvel might have hoped. After all, Peter, ever since One More Day ended, has come across as a “manchild” at best, and none of his new potential love interests (Carlie Cooper especially) rose to level of popularity like Mary Jane, Gwen, or Black Cat did. Not to mention One More Day caused all kinds of headaches in terms of continuity, even though Marvel insisted that “everything happened exactly the same except for the marriage.”
However, during this period, Marvel has had two very successful Spider-Man comics in which Peter was not the lead. First it was Ultimate Spider-Man, in which Miles took over the mantle after the Ultimate Peter Parker’s supposed death. Then, much to even Marvel’s surprise, Superior Spider-Man where Doc Ock took over Peter’s body. I wouldn’t surprised if the lesson Marvel learned from both was that Spider-Man could still be successful without Peter Parker being Spider-Man. Not to mention in Miles, they see someone who is closer to their “Spider-Man is about youth” premise, one that’s more “relevant” and “reflective” of today modern world. And Miles was able to generate a sizable fanbase among Spidey fans, branching off into even non comic book adaptations such a video games and cartoons. As for Superior Spider-Man, it’s very apparent in Slott’s own writing that he was far more energized and excited about writing about Doc Ock as Spider-Man than he has been writing about Peter Parker’s return as Spider-Man since the relaunch of Amazing. Same for when he was writing about a younger Peter Parker during “Learning to Crawl.” You just get the impression that Slott, when it comes to writing about Peter as Spider-Man, is just running out of gas.
And then there’s “Spider-Verse” which was originally supposed to have been a Superior Spider-Man story until the editors at Marvel convinced Dan Slott had to change it to a Peter Parker story. This, apparently, was one of the reasons Peter was brought back–and within a month of the premiere of The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Also, look at Slott’s comments he gave to the Verge about a month ago regarding Spider-Verse. His saying “Whichever Spider-Man you care about is the real Spider-Man,” and that “The mask give [Spider-Man] the freedom to be anyone,” is all but him saying that Spider-Man doesn’t even have to be Peter Parker. http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/19/8069257/spider-man-dan-slott-marvel-cinematic-universe-comics
But now, with Secret Wars merging the 616 and Ultimate universes together, Marvel now has an opportunity to have their cake and eat it too.
@#8 Stillanerd.
I think I just threw up a little after reading that.
Oh I hope that isn’t what is happening. I really don’t.
I’m excited for more Kamala Khan but I’m not entirely sure she’s Avengers material at this point (same goes for Kid Nova and Miles) but I’m going to give it a try.
@#8 Stillanerd — My above comment (#13) was meant as a direct response to your post.
Would they really retire Peter Parker? What about Spider-man in the movies? Do you think Dan Slott has written Peter into the ground to the point where it’s irremediable? The solution is backwards — retire Dan Slott, not Peter Parker.
I’m actually kind of excited for this now. Miles and Kamala are two characters I like a lot and currently two of my favorite books being put out (although I guess that isn’t saying much). Only thing that worries me is Mark Waid since his recent issues of daredevil seem to indicate that he’ll shove social commentary into the book at the cost of anything and everything else.
They should just gives Miles a new super-hero name. I’m not interested in him being the main Spider-Man. I’m also hoping this All-New All-Different Avengers isn’t replacing the main Avengers title.
@8 I would take that monkey paw. Retiring Peter with his family to give us a younger and single-er Spider-man is orders-of-magnitude times better that whatever we’ve received.
“Miles Morals” is my new favorite superhero name. His power is to wrap things up at the end of the story, explaining the lesson that everyone learned.
@#4 Rama —
Which is why I believe that there’s a very strong possibility that Miles Morales, not Peter Parker, will be the Spider-Man of the new Marvel Universe post-Secret Wars, and the odds of this happening went up considerably with this announcement. It certainly would also fit in with Dan Slott’s “monkey paw” analogy regarding Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows as well; having the marriage come back with a baby Mayday thrown in for good measure but Peter ultimately (no pun intended) retiring as Spidey and thus Miles becoming the “All-New, All-Different Amazing Spider-Man” would certainly fit the bill.
Yeah, that argument has been around because Kamala is 16, Same is 14 almost 15 and Miles is 15. I do know its similar now to you have to “ask your parents for permission” and why Sam’s mom said: “no!” until recently with everything that has happened. Of course S.H.I.E.L.D. recruits kids all the time for missions. You can see them doing the same, especially during Avengers Academy and Wolverine and the X-Men, those kids were way under age.
Aren’t Miles, Kamala & Sam too young for the Avengers? But I’m interested.
Considering now we have Ultimate Electro with most 616 villains in an upcoming Secret Wars tie in. I’m wondering if we will see more merges or replacements from Ultimate Universe in this “NEW” Marvel Universe this fall.
I really think Miles is going to get lost in the 616. Especially if he is in the “real” Spider-Man’s shadow. Hence why they killed off Peter in the Ultimate Universe. He works if he is THE Spider-Man…not so much if he is A Spider-Man.
Except Miles would be surrounded by mentors.
I am wondering if they are going to move 616 Spider-Man into a more mentor role for Miles with this.
Change his name to Spider-Boy, then Miles and Peter can co-exist like Superman and Super Boy.