As we mentioned here on the Spider-Man Crawlspace, a multitude of Sony’s emails were hacked and released to the public, much to the embarrassment of the studio, and has the Co-Chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment Group, Amy Pascal, in serious hot water due to some comments she exchanged with producer Scott Rosin, among them being what movies staring African-American leads President Barack Obama might like, and calling actor-director Angelina Jolie a “spoiled brat.” Among the leaks were discussions on the future of Spider-Man as a viable film franchise, including a possible deal with Marvel Studios in which the wall-crawler would appear in a cameo in Captain America: Civil War (2016).
Well, over the last couple of days, as various news outlets have perused through pages and pages of emails, additional details regarding Sony’s proposed plans for Spider-Man’s future as a franchise have come to light:
- Had the deal between Sony and Marvel Studios gone through, the new Spider-Man films may have been produced by Anthony and Joe Russo, the brother-director team of Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) and who have been revealed to be the directors for Marvel’s upcoming two-part Avengers: Infinity War. The difficulty was whether the current producers, Matt Tolmach and Avi Arad, would have allowed for this to happen, but Pascal was open to the idea as it was “a discussion worth having.” Also, Captain America: Civil War would have also led into The Sinister Six movie.
- According to Latino Review, the real reason why the deal between Sony Pictures and Marvel Studios broke down was not over a new trilogy of Spider-Man films. Rather, it was over co-production costs, in which Marvel proposed a 60/40 split, with Marvel paying the lion share of the cash, while also having full creative control over Spider-Man as a property. Sony Japan, however, think the deal is still on the table and can be negotiated.
- If the deal with Marvel happens, Columbia Pictures president of production, Michael de Luca, wants a different actor to replace Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker. Apparently, Sony has been none-too happy with Garfield ever since he put the blame on Sony and their executive meddling for the lower-then-expected and critical panning of Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014). Sony also didn’t appreciate it when Garfield refused to attend their July corporate dinner party, where he was supposed to be seated with high-ranking studio-executives. Whether the case may be, it appears Garfield has been all but fired from the franchise.
- The rumored non-Spider-Man Aunt May film? Turns out Sony seriously considered green-lighting the project. Same for a female team-up spin-off. Marvel, however, “severely disliked” those ideas.
- Marvel, had they retained control over Spider-Man, would have regarded both the Sam Raimi and Marc Webb films as “non-canonical,” as they wanted “no baggage” going forward into future movies. They also were not interested in another origin story, and the new films would have Peter Parker already as Spider-Man. Nor did Marvel want the films to be centered around a romance, stating, according to Latino Review, they wanted them to “focus on the difficulties of being a teenager and a superhero with a romance side-story.”
- As for the planned Sinister Six spin-off, Tolmach wanted to introduce either Venom or Carnage as the main villain, as he didn’t think Venom was capable of supporting his own movie. Had it been Carnage, the idea was for Peter Parker to obtain his black suit and team-up with the Sinister Six. However, the Sinister Six would ridicule Spider-Man’s new duds, and out of embarrassment, Peter would abandon the costume, which would then be found by someone else, leading that person to become Venom.
- In an 8-page attachment, Jeff Robinov, head of Studio 8, offered Pascal suggestions for how Sony could salvage Spider-Man as a franchise, making comparisons to the James Bond. One of the documents quotes him as saying, “In the next Spider-Man movies, we can’t go back to his origin story. Think of the 25 films in the James Bond franchise; just because a new creative team comes aboard, and breathes new life into a classic property, doesn’t mean the origin story has to be retold.”
- Among the proposed directors to replace Marc Webb included Brad Bird (The Iron Giant, The Incredibles, Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol), Chris Buck & Jennifer Lee (Frozen), Damien Chazelle (Whiplash), Joe Cornish (Attack the Block), Glenn Ficarra & John Requa (Crazy, Stupid, Love), James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy), Don Hall & Chris Williams (Big Hero 6), Phil Lord & Chris Miller (The LEGO Movie), Joachim Rønning & Espen Sandberg (Kon-Tiki), Colin Trevorrow (Jurassic World), Edgar Wright (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World), and David Yates (the Harry Potter films).
- One of the suggested stories for the new film? An adaptation of “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” saying it would “resonate with fans” and allow them to show Spider-Man is more than just his powers, that “[he’s special because of his values, because of what drives him, because of the lessons he’s learned from Uncle Ben’s death, and because of his love for Mary Jane.”
- Robinov also wanted to explore Spider-Man as an adult, adding that “It might feel fresh to see Peter Parker juggling with adult issues. He’s done so in the comics for decades, and kids still found this fun to read.”
There’s bound to be even more details from the leaks over the next few days, so keep watching the Crawlspace for future details.
Sources: Comic Book Movie, Mashable, The Daily Beast, IGN, Latino Review, Flickering Myth
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@49 – Garfield’s Peter reminds me of Ultimate Peter Parker in that he’s essentially a loner (instead of a nerd) with a arrogant streak and a confrontational attitude. Aside from his romance with Gwen, I don’t see many similarities between Garfield Peter and 616 Peter.
so how would you guys compare andrew’s peter parker to peter in the comics?
i’d rather they make a spiderman tv series with garfield reprising his role in season 1. he’s perfect for peter parker spiderman. even outside he’s like the character and it’s pretty ironic that his relative is named after peter’s uncle and clone. i believe they should keep garfield and if marvel gets the rights back i hope they are nice enough to release both directors cut versions of TASM 1 and 2. don’t really want garfield and this series to be the most controversial. granted i dislike TASM 2 but at least there were some parts i like and garfield was great in that movie that i miles better than anything in spiderman 3.
anyway, just make a tv series. the character and his mythos works better serialized than on film. every character has proven to be as good as the chsracter himself.
@45 – I agree. If they put Peter in College they have to actually spend some time developing that part of his life. Yes, Peter was in college during SM1 and ASM2 but they never used it as a way of introducing characters (excluding Doc Connors), and they still wrote Peter like he was a high-school kid.
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Now on to the rest; I’d love to see a more college era Spidey. I mean that is where the Death of Gwen and Norman happened, He met Harry there. The Punisher, the Jackal…hell even the Spider-Mobile. (not that I want to see that.) All college. This is one thing that the movies got right. Half way through the first movie Peter is out of HS and in College. By the start of ASM2 he is out of High school and getting ready for college…maybe…actually didn’t seem that way but I’m just going to assume he was. So I just wish that Marvel would stop with all this Golden Age=High School crap already.
@#5-Well…I dunno about INTEGRAL. His love life was important because for many people they’re love life is important. But you don’t NEED it to be there necessarily. I mean in the grand scheme of things he does need to love and lose Gwen and love Mary Jane and maybe Felicia but it’s not like every major story required it
As for a KLH movie I think it needs to be a second or third film after you set up Kraven and maybe MJ too.
@#24-Yup
Say what you will about Jeff Robinov but he seems to understand and get Spider-Man a lot more than a lot of people who work for Marvel these days.
It’s interesting to see that both companies are capable of coming up with bad ideas. I think the best case scenario moving forward would be to avoid another reboot or avoid a pseudo reboot (which happened to the hulk twice). They should also stick with Garfield too and move onto “older Peter” storylines where he is in college and stuff.
The James Bond reference is interesting that the Bond franchise was in a similar position to what the ASM is in now. Quantum of Solace was a lacklustre movie (and MGM was in the dumps) whereas Skyfall was a successful movie that was also standalone (did not continue that god awful Quantum organisation plot).
The best option for Sony would be to focus solely on making a good “standalone” ASM3 film for now (just like what happened with Skyfall) with maybe a cameo appearance(s) by Garfield in an MCU film(s). Any spinoffs or sequels should be held off pending on what happens with ASM3.
Sony should also primarily focus on avoiding the script issues that plagued ASM2. Stick to one villain and maybe focus on telling a back to basics story where Peter is trying to piece his life back together after the death of Gwen. Also whilst the Kraven/Venom ideas seem good, they should probably avoid those villains for the time being as they require a lengthy setup that wouldn’t work for a standalone film.
As #38 posted, Peter was in college from ASM #31-185, so compare that to #1-28 when he was in high school. I can’t understand Marvel continuously saying that Peter being in high school was the golden age of Spider-Man that they want to return to. His college years were a much longer era, his high school years are almost a footnote in comparison (again, not in the quality of the stories, but just looking at how many issues were in each era).
@35: I think he quit grad school somewhere in the 200s, maybe in Roger Stern’s run. So yeah, that’s over 100 issues of Peter in college, and that’s not even counting the PPSSM issues.
@34 – “I think that’s a better idea. It allows the character to move forward instead of being stuck in constant loop. For most of Spider-man’s history he wasn’t even in High School anymore. I’d say his college years were far more important (and long lasting as well) then his High School days were. No idea what Joey Q’s thing is with Peter Parker in high school, but it is ignoring 90% of Spider-Man’s history.”
I don’t get it either. They introduced the “Ultimate Spider-Man” title specifically looking at an alternate retelling of Spidey’s early years. Quesada shouldn’t have tampered with “Amazing Spider-Man”. He should’ve left the original mythos intact.
@35 – “For years we have heard Marvel talk about Peter being in high school like that is “the good old days”, or the golden standard to what era was the best for Spidey. But what they always forget is that Peter was only in high school from ASM #1-28. He was in college from #31 – ??? (I can’t even remember how long it was but it felt like over a hundred issues). When you look at how many years Spidey has been appearing, his high school years are a very small percentage of the number of stories.”
“Apparently once Peter got into college Stan decided to stop aging the character normally, which is what happened in the Lee/Ditko stories. His college years are much more seminal and iconic than his high school. Not that I’m saying the quality of the stories are better, but I would guess that when most long-time readers are asked about the golden age of Spidey, they would say Lee/Romita before saying Lee/Ditko.”
I agree. I tried to insert the last page from ASM 185 – Pete’s College Graduation. Not sure it worked. 🙂
I don’t think they could do that, since it depended heavily on readers’ long acquaintance with Kraven, and were connected into the emotion of the MJ/Peter wedding.
Kraven’s Last Hunt would be AMAZING (pun half intended), but would be extremely difficult to pull off. So much of that story is in the pacing and the mix of voice over and subconscious thoughts. Not to mention, Peter’s absence through a good portion of the story. It would be DARK, but could prove to be the Empire Strike back of the series.
Garfield is Spidey to me and I’d hate to see him go. Plus, I’d like to see Webb finish out his trilogy. I think the plot threads he’s been weaving will sit better when one can finally watch the whole story without waiting years between chapters.
I’m glad we wouldn’t get a third origin story, but romance is a big part of the character and it hasn’t bothered me when it’s been featured in the movies. Spidey is about responsibility, not youth, and whichever studio makes the next few movies, I hope they realize that.
@34 – “For most of Spider-man’s history he wasn’t even in High School anymore. I’d say his college years were far more important (and long lasting as well) then his High School days were.”
For years we have heard Marvel talk about Peter being in high school like that is “the good old days”, or the golden standard to what era was the best for Spidey. But what they always forget is that Peter was only in high school from ASM #1-28. He was in college from #31 – ??? (I can’t even remember how long it was but it felt like over a hundred issues). When you look at how many years Spidey has been appearing, his high school years are a very small percentage of the number of stories.
Apparently once Peter got into college Stan decided to stop aging the character normally, which is what happened in the Lee/Ditko stories. His college years are much more seminal and iconic than his high school. Not that I’m saying the quality of the stories are better, but I would guess that when most long-time readers are asked about the golden age of Spidey, they would say Lee/Romita before saying Lee/Ditko.
” Had the deal between Sony and Marvel Studios gone through, the new Spider-Man films may have been produced by Anthony and Joe Russo, the brother-director team of Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) and who have been revealed to be the directors for Marvel’s upcoming two-part Avengers: Infinity War. The difficulty was whether the current producers, Matt Tolmach and Avi Arad, would have allowed for this to happen, but Pascal was open to the idea as it was “a discussion worth having.” Also, Captain America: Civil War would have also led into The Sinister Six movie.”
This all sounds great to me. My biggest fear if these talk had gone through was Sony keeping creative control. I have no enjoyed what they have done with the Spider-Man movies since Spider-Man 2 over a decade ago. I mean with Sony we get stuff like this:
“The rumored non-Spider-Man Aunt May film? Turns out Sony seriously considered green-lighting the project. Same for a female team-up spin-off. Marvel, however, “severely disliked” those ideas.”
and
“As for the planned Sinister Six spin-off, Tolmach wanted to introduce either Venom or Carnage as the main villain, as he didn’t think Venom was capable of supporting his own movie. Had it been Carnage, the idea was for Peter Parker to obtain his black suit and team-up with the Sinister Six. However, the Sinister Six would ridicule Spider-Man’s new duds, and out of embarrassment, Peter would abandon the costume, which would then be found by someone else, leading that person to become Venom.”
So I think Marvel has a better grasp on things then Sony does even if they are all “ALL YOUTH! ALL THE TIME!” which I disagree with.
“If the deal with Marvel happens, Columbia Pictures president of production, Michael de Luca, wants a different actor to replace Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker. Apparently, Sony has been none-too happy with Garfield ever since he put the blame on Sony and their executive meddling for the lower-then-expected and critical panning of Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014). Sony also didn’t appreciate it when Garfield refused to attend their July corporate dinner party, where he was supposed to be seated with high-ranking studio-executives. Whether the case may be, it appears Garfield has been all but fired from the franchise.”
I’m fine with this. I know a lot of you guys love Garfield, but I hated him this role from frame 1 of ASM. He just never felt like Peter Parker to me at all…his Spider-Man was pretty good, but you need someone that can do both well not just one. And I’m not letting McGuire off here either. He had the exact opposite problem where his Peter Parker was good, but Spidey was lacking. Although the disconnect was less there and thus less jarring for me personally.
“Among the proposed directors to replace Marc Webb included Brad Bird (The Iron Giant, The Incredibles, Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol), Chris Buck & Jennifer Lee (Frozen), Damien Chazelle (Whiplash), Joe Cornish (Attack the Block), Glenn Ficarra & John Requa (Crazy, Stupid, Love), James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy), Don Hall & Chris Williams (Big Hero 6), Phil Lord & Chris Miller (The LEGO Movie), Joachim Rønning & Espen Sandberg (Kon-Tiki), Colin Trevorrow (Jurassic World), Edgar Wright (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World), and David Yates (the Harry Potter films).”
I think Brad Bird, James Gunn, or David Yates would all be good choices, but the one on that listen that has me a little excited is Edgar Wright. He’s be a much better fit for Spider-Man then he would have been for Ant-Man.
“One of the suggested stories for the new film? An adaptation of “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” saying it would “resonate with fans” and allow them to show Spider-Man is more than just his powers, that “[he’s special because of his values, because of what drives him, because of the lessons he’s learned from Uncle Ben’s death, and because of his love for Mary Jane.””
Oh yes…a thousand times yes!
“Robinov also wanted to explore Spider-Man as an adult, adding that “It might feel fresh to see Peter Parker juggling with adult issues. He’s done so in the comics for decades, and kids still found this fun to read.””
I think that’s a better idea. It allows the character to move forward instead of being stuck in constant loop. For most of Spider-man’s history he wasn’t even in High School anymore. I’d say his college years were far more important (and long lasting as well) then his High School days were. No idea what Joey Q’s thing is with Peter Parker in high school, but it is ignoring it is ignoring 90% of Spider-Man’s history.
Liked Garfield’s performances, but didn’t like these movies’ version of Peter. He has already out-aged the role, like Daniel Radcliffe outgrew Harry.
@ #25 – RDMacQ said:
While I’m not on the “Marvel makes Mediocre Crap” bandwagon, I am also someone who isn’t entirely engaged with everything they put out.
Granted, they made some really great films- Iron Man, Captain America the Winter Soldier, the Avengers (obviously) and- from what I’ve heard- The Guardians of the Galaxy.
I tend to agree. The films listed above are my favorite Marvel films, especially The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. The rest were ok, albeit very formulaic. I’m probably in the minority but I also didn’t mind Incredible Hulk. Someone like Peter Jackson should direct a Thor film and Iron Man 3 was a huge disappointment.
I don’t know how much influence Quesada and Bendis would have on Marvel’s cinematic universe. I would hope they have none, since Kevin Feige is president of Marvel Studios, so I assume he would have full creative control and final say. As much as I appreciate and respect Bendis’ Ultimate Spider-Man title, I don’t think it should be adapted for cinema. Quesada has contributed enough to the ruination of Peter Parker by getting rid of the classic adult Spider-Man. It’s no wonder the current Peter Parker from the ASM title is little more than a regressive buffoon.
@30 – I think they both got an equal amount of praise, maybe a bit more for Stone, but I think a lot of that praise was for their chemistry with each other. If we didn’t know they were a couple in real life, I think most people would be asking “Are they a couple in real life? I think they are.”
@24 – You think so, with Garfield? I always thought he was somewhat underappreciated. I’ve seen more praise for Emma Stone.
@ #25 – RDMacQ said:
While I’m not on the “Marvel makes Mediocre Crap” bandwagon, I am also someone who isn’t entirely engaged with everything they put out.
Granted, they made some really great films- Iron Man, Captain America the Winter Soldier, the Avengers (obviously) and- from what I’ve heard- The Guardians of the Galaxy.
I agree with the films you listed as great Marvel films. They’re certainly my favorites from Marvel Studios. I may be in the minority but I also didn’t mind Incredible Hulk with Ed Norton. The rest of the Marvel films I felt were okay, albeit very formulaic and IM3 was definitely the most disappointing.
One would hope that Kevin Fiege, as president of Marvel Studios, is not going to allow Quesada or Bendis to have any input or influence over a Spider-Man film. Whilst I appreciate and respect what Bendis has done with the Ultimate Spider-Man title, I don’t think it should be adapted for cinema. And Quesada’s ruination of all the integral characteristics that was Peter Parker, speaks volumes about the current buffoon swinging through the pages of the ASM title.
@27 – Hey Tyson, looks like you’re getting some company on J.R.’s list.
@16
What movies do you watch?
No. Get rid of Osborn period. The spider-man universe really doesn’t need him. He’a good for one thing. Throwing a blonde off a bridge. And that icy cold blonde had more depth to her character than “Looney McPurse-wearer” Osborn. As embarassing to spideys past as the spider-mobile. A bad halloween costume that NEVER gets updated. He’s lex luther with half the IQ.
I’m sad Garfield is out but you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. He has enough clout to go directly to the studio and talk to them, not coment about them in interviews. They can continue the ASM universe even with another actor. Just sideline Osborn for a bit, have him like a hidden character recruiting the sinister six ala Nick Fury and then have the Sinister six in ASM 6
@#18- Horncrek- While I’m not on the “Marvel makes Mediocre Crap” bandwagon, I am also someone who isn’t entirely engaged with everything they put out.
Granted, they made some really great films- Iron Man, Captain America the Winter Soldier, the Avengers (obviously) and- from what I’ve heard- The Guardians of the Galaxy.
I also think that Captain America the First Avengers and the first Thor were OK. Cap better than Thor, but they were OK.
But they’ve also made some lackluster films. Iron Man 2 and 3 weren’t that great. Thor 2 was rather uninspired. And Agents of SHIELD hasn’t exactly been wowing people. So, out of nine films, they’ve got four great ones, two “OK” and three that were seriously flawed. So, I’m not of the mindset that Marvel “Can do no wrong,” like a lot of other people seem to believe. And, as many have started to point out, there seems to be a fairly established formula with the Marvel movies that they are following without question, and aren’t really deviating from. And we are seeing that Marvel is more interested in maintaining a “House Style” rather than celebrate and promote the best parts of the franchises that they are adapting to films these days. It’s more important- it seems- that the films set each other up and keep to a house style in the sequels rather than be entertaining products of their own.
So, as weird as it may sound, I’m kind of glad that Spidey isn’t going to be looked over by Marvel, given how certain elements regard his character these days and what they would likely do with the franchise. It’d be more of the same, trying to reclaim past glory or assuming that Spidey’s ONLY redeeming quality is that he is YOUNG!!! rather than his struggles and his trials and tribulations. his character and his world. Right now, Sony seems to be really analyzing that which would actually improve the franchise, rather than just follow the same pattern as before, which is beneficial as it might likely lead to a better story. Marvel doesn’t seem to be at that point yet. They are more interested in following a formula, and aren’t at the point of analyzing and improving upon the series to see if they’ve done something wrong. Which, I feel, is not going to be good for the studio in the long run.
I’m personally kind of glad that Marvel didn’t regain creative control over the franchise, because that would mean putting the franchise back in the hands of Joe Quesada, and as we’ve seen in these leaked emails, it would have just been more of the same- Spider-Man as a teenager. Spider-Man in a set pattern. Spider-Man without any romance.
So, pretty much “Ultimate Spider-Man: The Movie.” Gutted of everything that makes the series engaging, on the auspices that “Spidey= YOUNG! YOUNG ALL THE TIME!!!” rather than the elements that people ACTUALLY find engaging.
I think it’s kind of good that Sony is actually looking at the problems the franchise has and working to actually trying to improve them. Marvel, unfortunately, doesn’t seem at that point yet and is dead set on just repeating the same mistakes or the same elements in order to keep with a “corporate identity.” Which I think would be a death sentence for the franchise, since they seem to think that it’s more important just to hit the exact same buttons that the last two film series hit over and over again, under the belief that it will yield different results rather than move forward and do something new. I’m really sure that the things fans were clamoring for were MORE scenes of Peter in highschool, being bullied and trying to balance his double life. And I’m sure that they’d REALLY be happy with sidelining a popular supporting love interest AGAIN to spend more time on elements that have already been featured in the series.
And while it’s sad that Andrew Garfield has been all but fired from the franchise, I do think it might be for the best, in a strange way. Not to say that he wasn’t the best part of the new series of films. But I feel that his good performance caused people to gloss over the problems the series actually had. People seemed to focus more on “Look how great Garfield was” rather than “Was this a well structured film.” This was sort of the problem I felt dogged the Iron Man films. More people were focused on Robert Downey Jr’s performance than try to make a compelling or interesting story. Both elements need to work together, without one overwhelming the other. Garfield was great, but I think it’s good that the studio is looking at it from the perspective that they need to have a strong film overall with all elements coming together rather than just do the same thing over and over again and coast on the charisma of the lead’s performance.
Now I have even more respect for Garfield.
Sony should suck it up, admit they did not do a great movie, and move forward with ASM three. Just stay away from the Osborne/goblin plot for now, it’s been done twice already. If they need to do spinoffs, only do them once the characters have been properly established. Do not give the right back to marble, they’ll make Spiderman into our young comedy relief fool like in ultimate Spiderman cartoon. Kraven last hunt would be fantastic, one Kraven has been established.
I blame the overly critical Internet for making Sony self conscious. And I blame Sony for being so insecure and desperate
Should rethink the whole Marvel Studios cant do wrong. They ruined the Mandarin and the thor movies have been a bore
Well that, and the part about Carnage and the sinister Six.
“The idea was for Peter Parker to obtain his black suit and team-up with the Sinister Six. However, the Sinister Six would ridicule Spider-Man’s new duds, and out of embarrassment, Peter would abandon the costume, which would then be found by someone else, leading that person to become Venom.”
That’s wrong on so many levels.
Oooops,didn’t read your post proper AmFan,it was of course the origin bit that had you groaning. I totally agree,no more of THAT! lol
J-R!
But AmFan – what had you groaning? Just curious,lol.
I actually agree with Gary. I’m a Spidey fan and was never a fan of any other Marvel stuff. I watch the movies though,but they’re in my Entertaining Crap category. They’re the usual summer blockbuster popcorn entertaining leave your brain at the door movies like so many others. Nothing special…..to ME! But I understand how a LOT of people love them and are huge fans,I just…..enjoy them,mostly,while watching them,after that…..well,whatever’s next. lol!
I just look forward to a new Spidey movie. I liked ASM 2,it was fun.
J-R!
@16 – I guess with statistics there were bound to be some people out there that thought all of the Marvel Studios movies were “mediocre crap” but I never thought I’d actually meet one. I strenuously disagree with your opinion but respect your right to express it.
Cap 2 is “just okay”? (faints)
There are several things that I agree with in this article, and one in particular that has me groaning.
“Think of the 25 films in the James Bond franchise. Just because a new creative team comes aboard, and breathes new life into a classic property, doesn’t mean the origin story has to be retold.”
Absolutely. We have already seen two versions of the origin story onscreen…we REALLY don’t need another one.
Second, I agree that Kraven’s Last Hunt could be an INCREDIBLE idea for a movie. In fact, it could be one of the best Spidey movies yet…If done correctly.
“Robinov also wanted to explore Spider-Man as an adult, adding that “It might feel fresh to see Peter Parker juggling with adult issues. He’s done so in the comics for decades, and kids still found this fun to read.”
I for one would love to see a grown-up Peter Parker having to deal with adult responsibilities like working and maintaining a relationship, while still saving the city…If only the comics could get that through their heads. 🙁
I like some of Sony’s ideas to continue the franchise without redoing the origin or without letting Marvel Studios ruin the franchise.
Let’s face facts, everyone says they hate Amazing Spider-man 2, but at least it had interesting villains and at least the actors put effort into their performances.
If Marvel Studios got hold of it, they’d have a dead-eyed actress with a monotone voice as Mary Jane and they’d try too hard to make Spider-man funny that’d he’d actually be annoying. The villain would have no personality and would be 2-dimensional, like all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe movies have been, except for Loki (but his plans were always the same, rule this world or rule that one).
Frankly, I’m excited about movies that would explore Peter as an adult out of college. Even the Toby Maguire movies had him still in college, even by the 3rd movie. It’d be nice to explore stories from later in his career, like Kraven’s Last Hunt. But that would also require a good introduction to Kraven and the black suit.
So this is exciting news. I am sad about the idea of losing Andrew Garfield as Spidey. I liked him as much as Tobey Maguire.
And regardless of what people think, I liked Amazing Spider-man 2 better than any of the mediocre crap Marvel Studios as put out. The only movie they have made that isn’t just “Meh” is Guardian’s of the Galaxy. Seriously, look at Avengers without the blinders. It can’t stand on it’s own, and every movie that has come after it except Guardians has been either complete crap (Iron Man 3), or so-so (Thor the Dark World), or just okay (Cap 2).
Amazing Spider-man 2 wasn’t perfect, but it is nowhere near the massacre it’s been labeled, especially when you look at it having 2 villains that weren’t just 2-dimensional snoozefests like Malekith, “Mandarin”, and Ronan the Accuser.
At this point, Spider-Man in the movies just won’t be Spider-Man to me without Andrew Garfield. He’s as synonymous with the character to me as Jackman is to Wolverine or Chris Reeve is to Superman. Garfield was not the problem of the movies, it was the writing and the studio mandates.
I don’t think Kraven’s Last Hunt, as it is, won’t make for a really good movie. They could add some more plot to it and make it an hour and forty-five minutes to two hours, but the main part of the story is that Kraven took over as Spidey and Peter Parker is in a coffin. I’m not against experimentation in the Spidey movie format but the main character has to be an active part of the story.
@ #10
“Kraven’s Last Hunt” would be a good story for a film, but as you say probably not for the next installment. Maybe down the track sometime it would make for a great adaptation.
End the end of the day, I would be happy with a Marvel Studios Spider-Man film depicting a mature 28 year old Peter Parker. No more Phony Sony Spider-Teen movies. 🙂
Does anyone know why I couldn’t post that last post under my real name (Ben)? The page wouldn’t display it after I pressed ‘submit comment’?
I forgot to mention in my first post, but I’d really, really like an Edgar Wright Spider-Man movie. I’d imagine Wright could do a really amazing adaptation of the Commuter Cometh.
@9 – Thanks man. I agree with your comment about the Russo’s directing Kraven’s Last Hunt. It would never happen, but I’d also like to see David Cronenberg (or David Lynch) take a crack at Kraven’s Last Hunt. I could only imagine what either of them would do with some of the more way out sequences.
@4 – Holy crap, how did I miss that when I first read this article? That is hilarious! Hilariously bad, that is.
Spidey: I just got this new costume that makes my old costume looks antiquated by comparison! I love it!
Sinister Six: Haha, look at that costume! You look ridiculous!
Spidey: Yeah? Well … you guys … uh … you’re the ones that look ridiculous!” (runs away crying)
Later.
Spidey: I thought the Sinister Six would like my new costume but they hate it. That means I hate it. (throws it in the trash)
Flash: (going through Peter’s trash) Well well well, what do we have here?
As for firing Garfield, I think the majority of people would say that Garfield was one of the good things in the ASM films. I don’t remember hearing him being mentioned when fans and reviewers were listing the problems with ASM2
Kraven’s Last Hunt would be a good story for a film, but you can’t just do that story in the next film. One of that story’s strengths is that Kraven is one of Spidey’s lesser villains and has a long history of fighting Spider-Man – when Spidey encounters him in part 1 of that story he thinks “Oh great, it’s Kraven. Well, he’ll take me back to his lair and rant for awhile, giving me time to escape and beat him like I always do, yadda yadda yadda.” When Kraven pulls out the rifle both Spidey and the readers say “this sh!t just got real!”. If they introduce Kraven in the same film as this story it just won’t be the same. Plus Peter needs to be married for that story to work. “I have to get back to my .” Nope.
@ #7
Could not have said it better myself.
@ #2
-One of the suggested stories for the new film? An adaptation of “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” saying it would “resonate with fans” and allow them to show Spider-Man is more than just his powers, that “[he’s special because of his values, because of what drives him, because of the lessons he’s learned from Uncle Ben’s death, and because of his love for Mary Jane.”
-Robinov also wanted to explore Spider-Man as an adult, adding that “It might feel fresh to see Peter Parker juggling with adult issues. He’s done so in the comics for decades, and kids still found this fun to read.
I absolutely agree. Both are great ideas. IMO, the whole regression of Peter Parker to more youth orientated stories in the last decade has been puzzling and dumb.
Anthony and Joe Russo involved would have been awesome directing a Spider-Man movie, especially something as intense as “Kraven’s Last Hunt”.
I’m also glad that Garfield is out of the picture. He played Parker as an “I’m too cool” dude and Spidey as a goofball.
This article has certainly made me more supportive of the idea of Marvel studios making a Spider-Man movie, and I think the idea of an adult Spider-man is really great.
I’m not sure that starting a new Spider-Man film franchise with Kraven’s Last Hunt is a great idea. I don’t know if I’d want the first MCU Spider-Man movie to start with Spidey getting shot in the head and buried alive in the first 40 minutes. I can’t exactly see kids responding particularly well that either.
But a movie of Kraven’s Last Hunt as a sequel would be damn brilliant, I’d love to see a completely faithful adaptation that featured the morbid, dreamlike tone, and weird symbolic monologues from the comic.
I’m sad to hear that Andrew Garfield got fired. The guy was a legit spider-man fan, since he was a kid. The guy really embraced the role, like dressing up as spidey at comic con, actually took the time pose pictures with kids and playing basket ball while dress as spider-man. I thought that was just awesome.
I really wanted to see Andrew Garfield’s spider-man interact with RDJ’s iron man.
@#2 dornwolf – Not to mention Spidey’s love life has always been as integral an aspect of the character as his Superheroics, balancing his social life as well as his Superhero and family responsibilities, and penchant for quips.
Peter disposing of the black costume ’cause his feelings were hurt is about the dumbest excuse to create Venom ever
I’m sorry to hear that Garfield has apparently been sacked, say what you will about the ‘amazing’ movies, but he was consistently great as Spidey.
I don’t know, they’re seems to be some good ideas on the table like:
-One of the suggested stories for the new film? An adaptation of “Kraven’s Last Hunt,” saying it would “resonate with fans” and allow them to show Spider-Man is more than just his powers, that “[he’s special because of his values, because of what drives him, because of the lessons he’s learned from Uncle Ben’s death, and because of his love for Mary Jane.”
-Robinov also wanted to explore Spider-Man as an adult, adding that “It might feel fresh to see Peter Parker juggling with adult issues. He’s done so in the comics for decades, and kids still found this fun to read
then there are bad ideas
-The rumored non-Spider-Man Aunt May film? Turns out Sony seriously considered green-lighting the project. Same for a female team-up spin-off. Marvel, however, “severely disliked” those ideas. (Totally back Marvel on that one)
-Marvel, had they retained control over Spider-Man, would have regarded both the Sam Raimi and Marc Webb films as “non-canonical,” as they wanted “no baggage” going forward into future movies. They also were not interested in another origin story, with the new films would have Peter Parker already as Spider-Man. Nor did Marvel want the films to be centered around a romance, stating, according to Latino Review, they wanted to “focus on the difficulties of being a teenager and a superhero with a romance side-story.”
That last one is hilarious mainly because, if you talk to any non-comic book fan about either series they always say the same thing, the romance was the sell. Woman loved that upside down kiss from the original, critics loved the on screen chemistry in ASM, basically the number one selling point and Marvel turns around and goes `YOUTH!!`again
This has all just been a saddening confirmation that Sony is clueless.