It seems a certain Amazing writer is breaking his new years resolution of 2011 and hitting the message boards pretty hard again. Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott recently had some interesting quotes over on the CBR board. Read them and feel free to discuss.
“Sorry, sourpuss. It’s not like I bust your nut for things Don’tPeeInTheDeadPool posts, right? Why don’t you PM me when your internet-panties unbunch? “
And then there’s this Wheel of Fortune quote where you can make your own insult up.
“Every time you post, I wonder, “Can he be more of an *** ***?” (sp?)”
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“Fred… stop it”
I just did wish people a good weekend. It’s not my fault you have hand ups
“You are NOT CrawlSpace”
Funny, never clamed I did.
“Snide comments directed towards negative posters (or potential ones) are NOT digs towards CrawlSpace.”
Still backpedaling? Not surprised.
“You can believe that these are against CrawlSpace, but they are not… and that makes you a sad little man”
This is coming from a man who issues a challege and backpedals when someone meets it. And you have the nerve to call me sad.
“You are annoying”
Oh boy.
“I don’t hate CrawlSpace, and I don’t hate you.”
So you say.
“CrawlSpace can be at most times an awesome site”
Wow, a back handed compliment, what a shock.
“Believe what you wish”
So I shall…
“Take off those tunnel-visioned glasses and enjoy your weekend as well”
This coming from captain backpedal? Whatever…
Have a safe and good weekend as well:)
Amazing Spider-Man 298-the first appearance of VENOM!!!
almost..at..300..comments…
Fred… stop it.
You are NOT CrawlSpace… so any and all comments directed towards YOU are NOT directed towards CrawlSpace.
Snide comments directed towards negative posters (or potential ones) are NOT digs towards CrawlSpace.
You can believe that these are against CrawlSpace, but they are not… and that makes you a sad little man.
I don’t hate CrawlSpace, and I don’t hate you.
You are annoying.
CrawlSpace can be at most times an awesome site.
Believe what you wish.
Take off those tunnel-visioned glasses and enjoy your weekend as well.
:^)
“Two completely different things there, Fred”
So you say
“Anywho, I’m bowing out of this one.”
Not surprised, it must be hard to keep attacking with a site for a personal agenda.
“And in all honesty, the only person who seems to be really playing the victim card is you, Fred”
Yep, another sign that someone has nothing left to say when they start trying to reflect the same argument towards to the person accusing them.
Have a good weekend you crawspace haters:)
Plenty of us LOVE the site, but find certain posters distasteful, very disrespectful and extremely rude. Great site…some terrible, terrible users. Two completely different things there, Fred.
And in all honesty, the only person who seems to be really playing the victim card is you, Fred.
Anywho, I’m bowing out of this one. I’ve said my peace and have gone as far as I want to against this brick wall. Hopefully plenty of these posts will be a wake-up call the creators of this site to root out the terrible problems that prevent this site from reclaiming its former glory. Good luck, everyone else. Best of luck with everything!
“Continuing #291′s post: Especially when he attacks anyone and everyone for having an opinion even minutely different than his.”
Got to love “I hate crawspace brigade”. They love to attack this site but call them out on it and they cry that you are attacking them.
Oh boy.
Continuing #291’s post: Especially when he attacks anyone and everyone for having an opinion even minutely different than his.
Can the site limit someones posts please. Reading all the posts by Fred is tiring.
“Even as I type this, I’m trying to be respectful with you… but you certainly make it difficult”
Really, considering the fact that my posts to you ( Which makes it three including this one) are the first time I have even addressed you and what you have to say. Laying that victim act kind of think don’t you say?
Again, wake me up when you have a point to make other than back peddle when you get caught or play victim when you want cry over something.
“Of course it’s a dig at CERTAIN posters who ARE negative here…”
So you say.
“However, that’s not directed at the site ”
So you say(yea right)
“And again, show me ONE negative post against the site itself”
Just did, you back pedaling over what you said is proof posive of that. Maybe you should think twice about opening your mouth and challeging people over what said, because the excuses you come up with are pretty sad.
Wake me up when have a point to make other than back peddle when you get caught out there.
Of course it’s a dig at CERTAIN posters who ARE negative here… D’uh…
However, that’s not directed at the site itself, and merely demonstartes that CLEARLY, not everyone who posts at CrawlSpace, or CBR, or whatever Spidey related website, is full of positiveness and roses… or as you put it…”that influence is because of its fairness and openness to different opinions and views, its community of people who come together and talk about all things Spiderman (sic) and the pulse of what real fans are saying.”
At what point have YOU respected my different opinions and views?
Even as I type this, I’m trying to be respectful with you… but you certainly make it difficult, and when YOU respond to anything that anyone says that doesn’t “tow your line” in regards to this site, you attack them and/or accuse them of being from CBR (I’m assuming that’s some kinof bad thing in your eyes… I’ve only been there via links from other sites).
How is your behaviour going along with the magical respecting of the “different opinions and views” that you claim make this such a wonderful utopic site concerning all that is Spider-Man?
I think it’s a neat site… has it’s strong points, but it certainly has it’s flaws (I feel like I’m talking to one… and yes Virginia, that was a dig at YOU…), and just because I can point out some flaws doesn’t mean that I’m bashing it… in fact, I think when people can take the time to point out constructive criticism towards the site, maybe it’s the first step towards making it even better than it is today… trying to make it better doesn’t mean always kissing the site’s ass…
And again, show me ONE negative post against the site itself…
Have a nice weekend.
Go Patriots.
“Fred… find ONE post of mine where I bash this site.”
You mean those those passive agressive digs towards the people on this site you write that goes like:
“Let the hate begin… but it’s just my opinion.” almost everytime you write a post.
Spare me the victim act, If you say that that’s not a dig at the site and its people, then you are lying.
“Wow, the same people who get angry over my “real fans” statement are surprisedly the same people who bash this site in one form or another on a regular basis.
What a shock.”
Fred… find ONE post of mine where I bash this site.
I dare you to find ONE.
You won’t.
Thanks for listening.
Hey – we’re all Spider-Man fans! Let’s just hug it out! Hug it out!
Wow, the same people who get angry over my “real fans” statement are surprisedly the same people who bash this site in one form or another on a regular basis.
What a shock.
Fred, no one’s listening anymore. Are you this angry in every facet of your life or only when it comes to comic books?
“Spare me the act. When i said real fans, i meant everyone who post and give their views and opinions here on this site. You making this some kind of attack is proof positive that your only goal is to bash this site.”
Please… if you meant EVERYONE that posts and gives their opinions at this site, then why can I find a whole lotta replies where you get on people’s backs for what they posted?
You obviosuly don’t think much about what other people post…
It’s posts like #280 that really sells the argument of the negativity here at Crawlspace. Awful behavior. I hope the moderators here take a good look at the type of people this place attracts and takes steps to rectify the situation and save a site that used to be — well — amazing.
“And anyone who claims to be a “real fan” is anything but. That is such a crock of a term and a way for people to write off anyone else who may have a different opinion and be as nasty as possible.”
Spare me the act. When i said real fans, i meant everyone who post and give their views and opinions here on this site. You making this some kind of attack is proof positive that your only goal is to bash this site.
I don’t normally post here, but I am currently banned from CBR. I called Carlie Cooper a she-male and evidently that is crossing the line. Meh, I probably deserved banning for other issues. so it all equals out in the end.
Dan Slott has made some justifications in his behavior towards fans in general and me specifically.
1) Approximately 18 months ago, I made a post under my previous screen name at CBR ‘lejayjay.’ The topic was how horrible One more day was and a related subtopic how horrible comics are doing now. In the offending post, I stated that Slott doesn’t care what happens anyway, speculating that in ten years when comics have died out he will be moved on to some new industry, married to supermodel, deciding what Ivy league schools his children will go to. The accusation was that he wasn’t a true fan
That’s when he gave me the go fuck yourself reply.
I apologized immediately. I was trying to be humorous with a faux melodramatic style with lots of hyperbole. Certainly didn’t want to offend Slott. I didn’t even know he posted there.
I read over the piece many times and the level of sarcasm just didn’t translate well…and it wasn’t very funny in the first place.
Still in retrospect, I do wonder about his extreme reaction. It wasn’t like I called him a Nazi or insulted his Mom’s butt or even insulted his daughter’s piano playing I accused him of not being a true fan—which in a matter of semantics, could be considered true. Was there an overreaction? I dunno. I leave it to you to decide.
Regardless I felt badly that it had occurred.
Over the next few months, I continued to frequent CBR. I essentialy have a negative view of SPider-man and Marvel Comics and would make snarky, negative comments about whatever topic was being discussed. Y’know, all good internet fun. Slott would occassionally comment how horrible I was or that every time he lowered his opinion of me, I would say something to make it go even lower. I wasn’t offended by any of this–considering it basically internet “play” where I was wearing the black hat.
Specifically there was the promotion where you could get your store’s picture on the cover of spider-man comic if you bought enough copies. I, of course, asked if you could get a picture of your penis on the cover. SLott responded with a small penis joke.
2) A few weeks ago, during a discussion of Venom declining sales. I remembered the hype that Rick Remender had gotten when he first started writing at Marvel and asked “Wasn’t Remender (sp?) going to save Marvel?” Slott did the wheel of fortune asshole thing at that point.
Once again, I consider that internet fun. Hell, dan Slott calling me an asshole is a point of pride at the local comics shop.
The one thing that does bug me however, is that Slott at the very beginning of this thread states that he was merely responding to personal attacks on Marvel writers. Pointing out Marvel’s hype in the face of declining sales isn’t really a personal attack, Dan.
I make this point respectfully—you have hundreds of folks at CBR thinking you are the greatest Spider-man writer since Stan Lee, why do you get so mad at a few dozen outliers? Water off you back, man.
This site is definitely not the victim some are making it out to be. There definitely isn’t an “open-ness” to different opinions here, something obviously apparent in this very thread.
And anyone who claims to be a “real fan” is anything but. That is such a crock of a term and a way for people to write off anyone else who may have a different opinion and be as nasty as possible.
Hopefully somehow some much needed positivity can be brought to this site. Crawlspace is a good site but doesn’t have a lot of nice people sadly. Good luck! Bye!
And somehow Fred manages to be able to define what “real fan” are…
This is a decent site, but it’s certainly not perfect, nor do I feel that people have shown an “openness to differeing views”… some do, but others don’t… that’s the reality… whether you like to hear it or not…
Thanks for listening…
BD, you trying to reason with people on CBR is like talking to a wall, you’re not going to get anywhere. The mods and some of the people there will praise and defend Slott and Wacker to the bitter end because they are paying attention to them. Its a board for idol worshiping more than talking about different opinions. Slott and Wacker could turn around and insult all races and genders and the mods and some of the people will defend and cover up for them and say that it was right. That’s how CBR is right now. You are not going to get solid reasoning there, so don’t waste your time. its not worth it.
Take solace in the fact that Slott and Wacker has to go though the trouble of bashing this site because its popular, that’s why Wacker comes here under fake Ip addresses after he was banned to start trouble and that’s why Slott blames this site for all his problems. Because in the end, this site has influence and that influence is because of its fairness and openness to different opinions and views, its community of people who come together and talk about all things Spiderman and the pulse of what real fans are saying.
Take it easy BD and enjoy your weekend:)
“Now why am I quoting the rules? It’s because Slott enjoys posting here and not on my board. He says my place is a house of negativity yet there seems to be similar trolls here and he replies to them with just as much vigor. Could it be he likes it here because he gets a free pass?”
The reason why they let Dan Slott and Steve Wacker get away with their behavior is because they are kissing up to Marvel. Notice that the mods there edit their post and cover up what they say when attention is brought on them. That’s why a lot of people don’t take the mods or the CBR boards seriously and its considered a joke. They will put it back up however to get hits but notice that they will not admit that. Dan Slott however admitted that here of all places and notice that the people from CBR will not address that but they love to say that we do it.
“Several people including Slott and Wacker asked why I don’t post everything postive Slott does online.”
Those several people including Slott and Wacker has an agenda to bash this site. Their reason being is the fact that you don’t kiss up to them and hold them accountable for their actions. Not to mention the fact that we post honest opinions, positive or negative about their merchandise and their stories. Notice that they will take everything out of context, and blame this site for any sort of problem or criticism they might get for their book. Its a sad attempt at propaganda which shows that they can’t stand on heir work alone.
“That is not news. It is news when the comic book writer insults them right back with similar venom.”
If Slott can’t understand that, he’s his own worst enemy.
“It is not fair to say that anyone who has a passing interest in Spider-Man, does something wrong on the internet is representative of my site.”
Slott knows that, he does it to try to bash this site. He and Wacker feels that if they could paint this site in a negative light, any criticism or opinion that different from what they are trying to promote will be not taken seriously. Its just a sad way of trying to sway public opinion. They would not do it if this site was not as popular as it is.
BD, you trying to reason with people on CBR is like talking to a wall, you’re not going to get anywhere. The mods and some of the people there will praise and defend Slott and Wacker to the bitter end because they are paying attention to them. Its a board for idol worshiping more than talking about different opinions. Slott and Wacker could turn around and insult all races and genders and the mods and some of the people will defend and cover up for them and say that it was right. That’s how CBR is right now. You are not going to get solid reasoning there, so don’t waste your time. its not worth it.
Take solace in the fact that Slott and Wacker has to go though the trouble of bashing this site because its popular, that’s why Wacker comes here under fake Ip addresses after he was banned to start trouble and that’s why Slott blames this site for all his problems. Because in the end, this site has influence and that influence is because of its fairness and openness to different opinions and views, its community of people who come together and talk about all things Spiderman and the pulse of what real fans are saying.
Take it easy BD and enjoy your weekend:)
Again saving my long ass reply to Slott at CBR in case it’s deleted.
First off, gotta get this out of the way. I’d like to hang out at Mos Eisley’s. It sounds like never a dull moment. That scene is also one of my favorites in all of Star Wars, so if it was meant as an insult keep em coming.
In fact I think most of this petty, childish stuff between Slott and I could be solved at a Mos Eisely’s with some Mountain Dew and Romulan Ale. I know, Star Trek reference in a Star Wars topic. But I digress….
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Originally Posted by Dan_Slott
It was WHY were 2 negative comments that were WEEKS APART and taken OUT OF CONTEXT used in a snarky way as FRONT PAGE NEWS on your site when IN THE SAME TIME FRAME…
Internet trolls insulting you is not news. We call that Tuesday on the internet. Trolls will follow any public sports, actor or even comic book writer to the end of the internet to tear them down. That is not news. It is news when the comic book writer insults them right back with similar venom. Why is it news on a Spider-Man website, you’re the head writer.
As far as why it was posted that day and not other news. I addressed this on my site in the comment section and I’ll cut and paste it here.
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Slott has also asked why I posted this article and not the one line comment from Alonso at CBR about Peter Parker dying. Here’s the reason, I honestly didn’t see it. I posted this article early in the morning on Sunday. The last thing I did for the day and then went to bed. The way I found your quotes is that I have a bookmark for your profile at CBR. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/member.php?u=4853
So I didn’t go directly to the first post. I saw your comments and was shocked that you were insulting folks again. So if you want some big conspiracy why I didn’t post the news item then go ahead and make something up. It’s the honest truth. Marvel often sends me press releases about upcoming Spider-news and I post that all the time. Posts that promote your work Dan. But I noticed you didn’t mention any of those old articles.
To add to that, there were 91 news items posted to the front page of my site in January. 1 of those was a news item questioning your professionalism. I think we do a fair job of promoting your work.
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To use some of your rhetoric here, I have seen certain posters on YOUR boards banned for some pretty psycho-behavior around the web on other boards– things that’d blow your problems with any CBR regulars out of the water– in ONE case, a poster I’ve seen recently on your board had LEGAL ACTION taken against them BECAUSE their behavior was so off-the-scale psycho on a popular comics web site. In ANOTHER case, one of your Crawl Space regulars was banned from ANOTHER popular board for posting up really freaky/disturbing pornographic cartoons of Spider-Man & Mary Jane. In the past, on the multiple boards that I go to– when I’ve seen the angriest of angry Spider-Man fans spout their crazy tirades, get told off by those board’s regulars, race over to the Crawl Space, give the most insane/slanted reports on how they were “mistreated”, and find people who’d comfort them on YOUR board.
THOSE are some of the people that call YOUR board HOME.
We’ve debated this topic a few times, but I’ll address it again. I can not police the whole Internet. I can police what they do at the Crawlspace. In your vague examples I can really only figure one person who you’re specifically citing which is K-Box. He currently has two warnings against him, one more and he’s banned. In your mind I should ban him because of something he did elsewhere? How is that fair?
As far as the poster who showed MJ/ Spidey porn. I have no clue who that is and if they posted it on my site they’d be instantly banned.
It is not fair to say that anyone who has a passing interest in Spider-Man, does something wrong on the internet is representative of my site.
We have an admin board where we have a running total of every member who has gotten a warning. We stick to the three strikes and your out rule.
A perfect example was the “tombstone” comment that appeared on the thread at my site. Once I saw it, I instantlly banned him. However it didn’t’ stop you from taking to your Twitter account and in so many ways accuse of us of issuing you a death threat.
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I KNOW you’ve put a LOT of work into your board. I know that it is a great resource and hub for lots of great articles, pictures, and features about this character we all care about. And there are a LOT of POSITIVE Spider-Man fans who post there.
Thank you for at least acknowledging that with something positive in your post.
Ok I need some MT. Dew ASAP! Where’s Greedo?
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I just wrote this at CBR and I’m cutting and pasting it here in case it gets deleted.
Here’s a couple points I’d like to address and also a couple questions. The questions first are aimed at the mods of the board Shaggy and Mister Mets.
I’ve read through your rules and I’m a bit confused.
[url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=269954[/url]
1) Why do you delete posts?
2) Do creators like Slott and Wacker get a free pass? I don’t think there’s any doubt that the “go F-yourself” comment, to one poster in 20 years etc, etc, breaks the first rule of “[I]Be polite.” [/I]
3) Also the comments by Slott of [I]”Sorry, sourpuss. It’s not like I bust your nut for things Don’tPeeInTheDeadPool posts, right? Why don’t you PM me when your internet-panties unbunch? “”[/I]
and the here’s a second quote, [I]”“Every time you post, I wonder, “Can he be more of an *** ***?” [/I](sp?)” ” break your second rule of “insulting one another will not be tolerated.”
With those three insults in three separate threads I would think it would equate a ban. Why didn’t it?
Your warning system says [I]”Third time, you’re banned from CBR for a duration of our choosing. There will be no warnings, no appeals. Personal attacks and insults of any form will not be tolerated on this board from here on in.”[/I]
Now why am I quoting the rules? It’s because Slott enjoys posting here and not on my board. He says my place is a house of negativity yet there seems to be similar trolls here and he replies to them with just as much vigor. Could it be he likes it here because he gets a free pass?
Is he considered different than the average joe poster here? I’m not saying we’re perfect at the Crawlspace, but my staff and I do our best to warn and ban members who insult and act trollish. If I did this at my site would he have enjoyed his visit more?
To address another topic about why I felt this is news.
[url]http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/2012/01/29/25017/[/url]
Several people including Slott and Wacker asked why I don’t post everything postive Slott does online. Posting positive things about Spider-Man is a part of his job. I’d argue that’s not newsworthy since it’s not unsual. He’s supposed to be promoting the book he’s writing. What makes news is the odd or unsual. Him telling a fan, for the first time in twenty years, to go f-himself is newsworthy for a Spider-Man website. Him telling a troll about “busting a nut” is unusual because it’s odd and I feel unprofessional. Acting unprofessional is unsual and hence newsworthy to a Spider-Man website.
I’m sorry we can’t all get along. Bertone, an admin on my site, summed it up best. Slott feels he didn’t have a good experience on my website. For that I’m sorry. I really wish the main writer could head over to my site and enjoy himself. Here’s two areas I think we both have soft spots. In my opinion Slott can’t take critisim very well, nor can he handle internet trolls. It gets under his skin and leads to unprofessional responses. I’m also defensive of my website. I’ve spent 14 years building it up and I don’t appreciate it being bad mouthed. Several of the people doing it here were banned at Crawlspace and now call this place home.
Gee whiz Steve, what took you so long? 🙂
If Fred didn’t exist I’d have invent him. Give this guy a column!
SW…I mean “anonymous”
“They are public figures, we should not avoid coving them because they are going to act like five years olds when we do.”
I forgot to address this…true, we shouldn’t avoid them, but come on now…is it really newsworthy everytime Slott is rude to a fan? The only website that seems to pay attention to what he says is this one. For the life of me, I just can’t figure out how Slott or any other comic book writer/artist for that matter, insulting someone on the internet is worth making an article about. Maybe a forum thread, okay. But an entire front page “news” article? Come on now. It’s all for hits.
@Fred:
If it’s my opinion, then why do you feel the need to argue against it so hard? I’m speaking out here to bring some sense into this whole thing, maybe help other people who agree with me, but just don’t know how to say it. As I said, there’s no way BD doesn’t know what he’s getting into when he posts these, it’s happened before. So I think he’s doing it for the hits. I don’t think that the fanbase needs to be aware everytime Slott gets his feelings hurt or takes out his anger out on someone who provoked him. As long as it doesn’t affect his quality of work, I don’t see why it would matter. Of course there are some that disagree, and some who may want to know about these outbursts and when they happen. But as you can see here, by posting these outbursts on this site, it only makes things much worse. If you thought enough people were pissed before, well after Slott posting here and all the hoopla going on, the number of people pissed probably doubled. And at the end of the day, that really doesn’t help anyone, except the Crawlspace, which is just savoring the hits and traffic it’s getting. Though in BD’s defense, who’s to say nobody else here would do the same thing, if it met lots of attention for their website? Good or bad, attention still brings in revenue.
What am I supposed to be taking easy though? I got upset at my original post not going through, but beyond that, I’m as calm as a clam. You were the one who seemed pretty angry to start with, but now things are much more smooth.
Anyways, I feel as though we hit a wall with our debate/argument/whatever now, and any further posting, we’ll both just be repeating ourselves.
[Apu]I can’t believe you don’t shut up![/Apu]
🙂
“So there you go, you said it yourself, he posts to start trouble.”
Its the only attention Wacker can get. God knows no one takes him seriously as an editor.
“But anything Slott or Wacker do on another site is not any of the Crawlspace’s concern.”
They are public figures, we should not avoid coving them because they are going to act like five years olds when we do.
“Wacker is the opposite, and offers humor and sarcasm in return to the trolls.’
In your opinion, in mine. I see a man who can’t hold an argument and can’t back up a single thing he says. That’s why he acts up and starts fight.
“So I stand by what I said, BD is doing this for hits, and hell maybe he’s even trying to lure Slott in here, which worked.’
That’s your opinion, there is no proof of that. If you feel that way, then that’s up to you. In mine, he’s only reporting the news.
Take it easy.
I had something all wrote up, I forgot to add my name and email, I went to post, it couldn’t post, so then I LOST IT ALL SON OF A @*&@$&*@$*&$@*(@*(&!!!!!
*sigh*…okay. Bottom line, Fred you’re right, BD posting this was not the best course of action, and Slott coming in here made things worse. Both men need to learn to just ignore internet drama and trolls, and not take themselves so seriously. Although personally I kinda hope they don’t, as this is fun to read.
As for Wacker…
“n Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: “That was an excellent troll you posted”.”
So there you go, you said it yourself, he posts to start trouble. My advice is for anyone who he offends, is to just ignore him, or play along with him, but at least don’t take anything he says too seriously. He’s proven by now that he’s capable of getting many here all riled up, immature yes, but very effective. Whereas Slott has problems taking trolling or “rude” criticism well, Wacker is the opposite, and offers humor and sarcasm in return to the trolls. This is what Slott should do. And what BD should do is just ignore the both of them, until they start coming into this site and causing trouble. But anything Slott or Wacker do on another site is not any of the Crawlspace’s concern.
So I stand by what I said, BD is doing this for hits, and hell maybe he’s even trying to lure Slott in here, which worked.
There, this one isn’t as well written as my other post I wanted to put, but it’s good enough.
“I’m just saying that BD is just as much at fault here as Slott is.’
Maybe avoiding the issue may have been the right course but it does not mean that BD should have not posted it either. Slott is as much responsible ( and probably even more so) for things getting out of hand. Slott is a professional in the public eye, he should know how to conduct himself better. That’s why he’s news when he goes off the handle.
“Also, you don’t need to “create fake IPs” to get back here. Simply reset the modem, which resets the IPs, which is exactly what Wacker has been doing, I’m sure. I could be wrong, but if I’m not, it would look better on all your resumes if you stop talking as though this guy is an internet hacker. I highly doubt he is.”
I doubt he’s much of anything. Regardless of him hacking or what ever. he should not come here and start trouble, which he does. if you don’t believe me, just go through the site and see his handy work. No one is provoking his attacks, he does it to start trouble. That’s why he was banned and yet he still comes here to start trouble.
“CBR …. again. Why would I bring up CBR… Period?”
Because they are doing the same thing you are accusing BD of doing and there is proof of that. Yet you avoid mentioning it when its brought up. You avoiding that fact (Which was proven by Dan Slott) makes everything you say suspect. Do you have proof that BD is trying to get hits for this site? Do you have proof yes or no? i would not be surprise (again) that you will not answer my question. more proof that you sole purpose is to bash this site.
“I know nothing about CBR”
Whatever….
“Again, you’ve demonstrated to me you don’t know what ‘hypocritical’ means.”
Your actions is proof enough of what hypocritical means. I don’t need to do anything.
“I would only be a hypocrite if I painted CBR in a holier-than-thou light and ignored its shortcomings, while simultaneously bashing Crawlspace for similar shortcomings.”
You avoiding Dan Slott’s comments about CBR’s actions proves your hypocrisy and proves that you are only making baseless accusations against this site with out the proof to back it up.
“And I don’t need to read more.”
I’m not surprised, judging by how you are dancing around the facts, you will not give a straight answer or proof of BD trying to get hits for this site. just baseless accusations.
“I read 2-3 books a month ((no, not comic books).”
Graphic novels don’t count;)
Again, do you have proof that BD is trying to get web hits or are you going to continue to bash him and this site with baseless accusations?
Let me know if you do.
Against my better instincts I’m going to reply to you one last time, Fred. I don’t know why. The crazy-train logic you employ is hardly worth fighting back against, but like Slott I sometimes have trouble resisting the trolls.
CBR …. again. Why would I bring up CBR… Period? Your logic here is mind-boggling. I know nothing about CBR. I do know the crawlspace. If I could make a very strained analogy, this is like some whackadoodle audience member interrupting a history lecture about Hitler by screaming out “But you didn’t mention how bad Stalin is! Why won’t you talk about Stalin?!”
Again, you’ve demonstrated to me you don’t know what ‘hypocritical’ means. I have no idea even if CBR is as bad as you say. You seem to be a very angry man, so the accusations you’ve made against it are probably unfounded. But let’s say it is as bad as you say it is. I would only be a hypocrite if I painted CBR in a holier-than-thou light and ignored its shortcomings, while simultaneously bashing Crawlspace for similar shortcomings. I have done nothing of the sort. For the last time, I don’t care about CBR. After engaging in this mind-numbing exchange with you, I’ll be quite happy if I never see those three initials in any capacity ever again. Capiche?
And I don’t need to read more. I read 2-3 books a month (no, not comic books). The incoherent sentence I was referring to was so grammatically flawed I honestly had no idea what you were trying to say. I’m sure that happens a lot. It’s no biggie. Have a wonderful time frothing.
@Fred:
Geez Fred, calm down. We all know you love this site too much, but your paranoia and ignorance of details are starting to cloud your judgement.
“So its BD fault that Slott bashes this site on a regular bases and blames his problems on us? Its BD’s fault that Wacker creates fake Ip addresses to come here to insult people for no reason, going as for as to attack the mods?”
Was Slott bashing the site this time in those posts he made in that article? Nope. I’ve seen articles posted here before where Slott or Wacker has said some derogatory things against fans, and they always end up here. Why can’t BD just ignore them and go on with the site? Well it’s simple…he wants the traffic. Now granted, I do recall an article posted here showing a forum post of Slott’s where he DID blame the Crawlspace and made some insulting comments against them. That doesn’t mean he’s right, as he’s childish in this whole issue as well. But Crawlspace did post an article about that as well. BD by now obviously knows what these articles will lead to, so no one can give me that crap that he’s “only doing this to show how professionals should not behave”. Hey who knows though, maybe I’m wrong and maybe that is his intention as well, but the number one intention is for hits and traffic this all generates. I’d like anyone with a straight face to tell me otherwise. Now he COULD easily just ignore whatever nonsense Slott or Wacker are saying about the site. If they want to bash the site off on some other forum somewhere, who cares really? People that know how Slott behaves online likely won’t believe him anyway, won’t just care, or will in fact come to the site themselves and maybe even decide to join and regularly contribute. Just because Slott says the site is bad, doesn’t mean people will follow him like he’s God. So to answer your question, no it’s not BD’s fault Slott blames the site or can’t handle internet trolls, but it is BD’s fault that he keeps posting these articles. As for your latter part about Wacker “creating fake IPs”, well in case you or anyone else didn’t figure out yet, Wacker is the epitome of an internet troll. Whereas Slott is the troll victim; meaning Slott doesn’t take to internet criticism or trolling too well. But Wacker is pretty damn good at the opposite, getting a lot of people here worked up whenever he shows up. I’m not “glossing” over them, nor am I defending their actions, I’m just saying that BD is just as much at fault here as Slott is.
“Spare me the self righteous lecture. For you to gloss over what Slott and Wacker do shows where your head is at.”
This is just full of so much irony that I felt like I had to point it out for those of you who are too blinded by your own sense of justice, you may have not noticed.
PS: Also, you don’t need to “create fake IPs” to get back here. Simply reset the modem, which resets the IPs, which is exactly what Wacker has been doing, I’m sure. I could be wrong, but if I’m not, it would look better on all your resumes if you stop talking as though this guy is an internet hacker. I highly doubt he is.
“Most important, I’m not defending CBR.”
You don’t call them out it either, especially when Dan Slott himself said that CBR does those stuns to get hits on their sites.
“Why don’t you spend more time at http://www.dictionary.com instead and look up the definition of “hypocritical.””
Considering the fact that you don’t call out Wacker or Slott for their behavior and gloss over CBR doing the thing you accuse BD of doing to try to gain hits for their site, it fits.
“This is so incoherent I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say.”
That’s your personal problem, not mine. You should read more.
“But I do think this site can do better than purposely attacking someone for no reason other than to try and increase website hits.”
Do you have proof that BD is doing that? Yes or no? Did not think so.
“You need to calm down and stop getting so angry”
This coming from a person who is attacking the site and making accusations towards BD about him trying to get Web hits by posting this article. Hypocritical don’t you say?
Give me a break.
“Why would BD needs hits on his site, he has more people reading this site than the spider man comic has customers and Slott has readers. ”
Anyone who uses that sort of falsified statistic based on personal opinion pretty much instantly renders their entire point moot.
*sigh*…. @257 Fred
“Why would BD needs hits on his site, he has more people reading this site than the spider man comic has customers and Slott has readers. CBR would do it and has admitted to doing it. But you would point that out will you. Hypocritical don’t you say?”
No. Again, I don’t post on CBR. I don’t visit CBR. I don’t care about CBR. Most important, I’m not defending CBR. The only time I’ve ever brought up CBR was to tell you that I didn’t come from there. You seem to have a real unhealthy obsession with that site. Why don’t you spend more time at http://www.dictionary.com instead and look up the definition of “hypocritical.”
“For you do say that proves that you don’t come to the site often, which proves what angle you are playing.”
This is so incoherent I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say. What angle? I don’t really give much of a hoot about Slott. I don’t regularly buy the book anymore. But I do think this site can do better than purposely attacking someone for no reason other than to try and increase website hits. You’re the one who seems to froth at the mouth at not just the creators, but anyone who dares to disagree with your version of events. You need to calm down and stop getting so angry. Get a hobby besides anonymously screaming at people over the internet.
I don’t claim to know any behind the scenes details, but I don’t think Brad would go out of his way to willingly make his site appear negative, and getting more hits isn’t translating into more money in his pocket, it’s likely more money he has to spend because of the increased traffic.
I wish Fred could just “cool it”… it’s annoying and depressing…
People are entitled to have opinions, and just because you disagree with them doesn’t mean you have to jump on these people’s back about them…
You don’t even attempt to rationalize with their comments… if you at least tried to do that, maybe your posts could be “readable”…
Just saying…
“Bravo. AFormerMember has probably made the most level-headed and balanced comment so far.”
So you say, sounded like rhetoric to me.
“Slott should stop taking the bait and BD should stop posting this trash just to get people riled up and get more hits.”
Why would BD needs hits on his site, he has more people reading this site than the spider man comic has customers and Slott has readers. CBR would do it and has admitted to doing it. But you would point that out will you. Hypocritical don’t you say?
“More ASM reviews and REAL analysis please”
For you do say that proves that you don’t come to the site often, which proves what angle you are playing.
“It’s also obvious that BD posted this article for the same reason he ALWAYS posts these articles about Slott or Wacker insulting fans…for the hits and drama that unfolds. He knows exactly what’s going to happen when he posts these.”
So its BD fault that Slott bashes this site on a regular bases and blames his problems on us? Its BD’s fault that Wacker creates fake Ip addresses to come here to insult people for no reason, going as for as to attack the mods?
Spare me the self righteous lecture. For you to gloss over what Slott and Wacker do shows where your head is at.
Bravo. AFormerMember has probably made the most level-headed and balanced comment so far. He expressed what I was thinking in a much more eloquent and concise manner than I ever could.
Slott should stop taking the bait and BD should stop posting this trash just to get people riled up and get more hits. Neither side does themselves any favors. More ASM reviews and REAL analysis please, less negative shit-stirring. When this site is at its best, it’s fun. When its at its worst, well…. we get 200+ comments of hateful bile, accusations and personal attacks. BD, maybe this crap gets you more hits in the short-term. But in the long-run it’s turning off old posters.
So it’s obvious by now that Dan Slott takes way too much exception to what people say on the internet. And due to that, his reactions towards these “trolls” are exactly what they want. He’s playing right into their hands by insulting them or getting upset at all.
It’s also obvious that BD posted this article for the same reason he ALWAYS posts these articles about Slott or Wacker insulting fans…for the hits and drama that unfolds. He knows exactly what’s going to happen when he posts these. And for that, I’d say he’s a shrewd businessman, since this chaos only serves to bring the hits up and traffic as well. It’s also entertaining for those of us on the outside not involved in this e-spat, and it does give us something to read late at night.
So in conclusion, from my standpoint, Dan Slott takes criticism and the internet way too seriously, and BD is a shit stirrer. There’s no right here, in fact in their own way, both men are wrong. Both are equally immature. And both overall just seem to love drama. But like I said, at least it’s amusing for the rest of us.
PS: Bertone should have his own Spiderman site. Seriously, he’s the most level headed and mature user on here.
Let’s talk about something else. I like yogurt.
250–No, I’m saying that this is a Spider-Man site so scrutinizing a former Spider-Man writer’s online behavior is more outside the it’s scope than scrutinizing the behavior of THE current writer on Amazing Spider-Man. Peter David hasn’t written a Spider-Man comic in five years.
As for whether this is news? Personally, I don’t really care what Dan Slott says on the internet. Marvel clearly has decided that the old “Merry Marvel Marching Society” tone it took with its fans, which made the fans feel like they were somehow included in the Marvel family, is no longer worth the effort. Otherwise Marvel would encourage its employees not to engage in insult contests with fans on the internet. Whatever, though. It’s Marvel’s choice on what face it wants to present and ultimately I’m just in it for the stories. If Dan Slott wants to say “eff yourself” to fannnnn-nuh, then it doesn’t bother me as long as it doesn’t affect the story.
Keep up the bickering, folks… we’ve almost reached 300…