It seems a certain Amazing writer is breaking his new years resolution of 2011 and hitting the message boards pretty hard again. Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott recently had some interesting quotes over on the CBR board. Read them and feel free to discuss.
“Sorry, sourpuss. It’s not like I bust your nut for things Don’tPeeInTheDeadPool posts, right? Why don’t you PM me when your internet-panties unbunch? “
And then there’s this Wheel of Fortune quote where you can make your own insult up.
“Every time you post, I wonder, “Can he be more of an *** ***?” (sp?)”
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@#248 so because dan slott happens to write amazing spider-man he should be treat to biased “reporting” of things he says that’s sole intention seems to be to paint him in a far more negative light than he deserves? stuff that’s clearly meant to bait 250 comments about how much of a jerk slott is or isn’t? this is “news” at it’s absolute lowest… it really makes the site look so trashy.
@nioo: Woah, hold it right there buddy. I’m not down playing your comment because of capitalization. No, I’m not down playing you at all. The grammar and spelling’s correct but the lack of capitalization just piqued my curiosity on why. It’s not like it’s too hard.
But if your intention is to drag me into this ‘heated discussion’ it won’t work.
~Lament~
You’re right. BD should absolutely be patrolling the X-Factor boards to make sure the writer of X-Factor doesn’t say anything rude, and report about it on this Spider-Man site.
And yes, I know that Peter David is a former Spider-Man writer.
What does it matter if I am or not. Does that invalidate my argument that this type of “news” is comparable to some sleazy tabloid that prints those stories about how Beyonce is “getting whiter”? Slott doesn’t deserve to be so heavily scrutinised for… acting like a normal person.
Peter David, who this site clearly approves of and holds in high regard, has had his fair share of out-spoken “controversial” moments in the past, but this site seems to ignore that. So, why put Slott under this sort of magnifying glass that only filters out statements to repost featuring anything remotely “mean” he says purely to fan the flames on a “oooh, look, isn’t Dan Slott a horrible person” fire.
@nioo: Are you intentionally using lower case letters? It seems like you are.
~Lament~
slott can act however he wants like anyone else is entitled to. he’s a guy who just consistently gets a tough time from this site who only try to highlight whenever he does something “bad”. as i said where are the news stories whenever he says something friendly or funny on a forum? non-existent because it seems the site wants to only present a one-sided argument when it comes to what you should think of dan slott as a person.
how is it any better than gossip rags that only ever report on celebrities and make a story and argument out of something as inconsquential as katy perry been seen without makeup on or whatever?
“Is this the same “stalking” incident that Rich Johnston looked into and concluded was nothing?”
The same Richard Johnston who has been called out by his own regular readers for stealing news and pretending that its his? The same Richard Johnson who regularly gets a great majority of his scoops wrong? The same Richard Johnson who has also been called out by his own regulars readers as a shill for Marvel?
He’s credible alright (Yea right)
“Not sure what I’m meant to take from this. Also not sure where the “scary and escalating pattern” is, considering that blog was posted in Dec 2010 and I haven’t noticed any particular escalation in the last 13 months. If anything, it’s been less noticable.”
That’s your opinion and i respect it but in mine, add to his rantings at CBR and his behavior here on the board, this is a pattern and its not healthy. Slott can not take criticism, that’s why he acts the way he acts. I have seen it before in experiences in my life dealing with people like Slott and it only escalates and gets worse if not addressed.
“Whether he should be above responding to internet provocation or not is another matter – yes, I think he’d be better off if he ignored it, but still. Responding with annoyance to internet abuse is not “scary”. Unwise? Perhaps. Scary? Not really.”
There is a difference between responding and going way overboard and Slott goes way overboard. That’s not healthy and he should just ignore it but he does not and that’s where it gets scary, because he reacts, not think about the consequences. Not to mention the fact that he represents a company, so he has to think about his actions.
Well, catching up on this post took up my whole work day pretty much and made my brain want to explode from lots of typos and grammatical errors. That was fun. Agree with everyone giving props to Bertone though. You did the best you could do to try and keep it on track. I agree that Brad can post whatever he wants though, and he had a point that this was 1 post out of 70 some articles that went up this month, yet none of the other stuff seems to matter (what about all those great reviews I’ve poured many waking hours in to??). I do think the less we put these creators on a pedastal the less important they will seem, but I understand the professional angle some people are approaching it with. But sure he’s the head writer of Spider-Man, he also still just another dude behind a computer. People take the internet (and comics) way too seriously. Sorry to tack on, I know this thread is winding down, just wanted to chime in.
For any fans of It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia, this is all I could think of when I was reading through the comments (except replace “dreams” with “240 comments”):
“Dennis Reynolds: [interrupting her] You know what Dee, I don’t want to hear about your dream, okay? I hate listening to people’s dreams. It’s like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I’m not in any of them, and nobody’s having sex, I just… don’t care.”
Alright, work day over, great success.
Is there anyway to stop people from posting in this thread? Close it and lock it like I see on other boards? That seems to be the only way to stop this incredible trainwreck of a discussion. I may not like the current Spider-Man books or a lot of the creators on them but the discourse and behavior I’ve seen here is gross.
(And to clear it now, no I’m not from CBR, I was directed here through a post on Twitter).
Why did “this” have to come back with vengeance?
You people just don’t know when to walk away…
~Lament~
I read the Ars Marginal post that has been linked about twenty times. It appears to be nothing but an account of the “go f**k yourself” incident from a few years back and a link to a blog post demonstrating alleged stalking that is now non-accessible. Is this the same “stalking” incident that Rich Johnston looked into and concluded was nothing?
Not sure what I’m meant to take from this. Also not sure where the “scary and escalating pattern” is, considering that blog was posted in Dec 2010 and I haven’t noticed any particular escalation in the last 13 months. If anything, it’s been less noticable.
Whether he should be above responding to internet provocation or not is another matter – yes, I think he’d be better off if he ignored it, but still. Responding with annoyance to internet abuse is not “scary”. Unwise? Perhaps. Scary? Not really.
“I love how Fred automatically assumes everyone who disagrees is from CBR.”
If you are not from CBR, you sure like to defend them, that’s for sure.
Whatever……
I love how Fred automatically assumes everyone who disagrees is from CBR. CBR this. CBR that. It’s like a homeless guy always ranting about the CIA putting microchips in his head. I’ve actually never even posted on CBR and have visited the site maybe twice in the last five years. It is possible for other people to come here and percieve negatively, completely independant of what some other website is discussing.
“Peter- Feel free to stop the complaining and open the topic up to debate in a civil way. You obviously are on Slott’s side and think he is justified to insult people right back. Feel free to elaborate.”
BD, he’s not going to do it. Notice the pattern of the people attacking you and this site, it reads like it came from a script, like talking points egged on by someone ( Or some web site looking for attention). They can’t elaborate on why they feel they way they do. However, There are those who have express their dislike of the article and have gave solid reasoning for why they don’t like it. You can tell that they are legit in their opinions because they are not trying to paint this site as a bad place like the ones who can’t elaborate on why they feel the way they do. They just want to bash this site to defend Slott’s actions.
“I really shouldn’t be posting again, as I assume I’ll get ragged on for posting again after I said I’d leave, but to answer the above question, post #193 answers the question just fine as far as I’m concerned.”
In other words, you can’t back up a thing you said. Notice that you don’t say that 193 was a response to the rude attack you gave on 190 about this board.
Not surprised by your response.
I don’t want George do go anywhere, he’s a good guy despite his gruff exterior, and the snark and sarcasm only adds to the enjoyment I get when he’s on the show. I agree he can be brutally honest, but the world needs more people like George Berryman. Honest…and Brutal! 😈 😆
“the site has a clear anti-slott bias when it comes to reporting “news”.
http://arsmarginal.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/dan-slott-we-are-sick-of-your-shit/.
You can see and scary escalating pattern that is only going to get worse as time goes by. You refusing to address Dan’s behavior shows where your mind set is.
“slott is a good sport”
Have you read his post? That’s not being a good sport at all.
“i know most the people who run this site try to keep it professional, and have some sort of “relationship” with slott and wacker, but there’s “news” like this that just seems to be baiting some sort of crawlspace/slott and wacker square-off.”
Wacker comes here after he was banned from the site with a fake user id to insult and attack the people here and insult the mods. You saying that we bait him only shows that you are just looking to bash this site.
Bertone,
I’ve gained a whole new respect for you today. You’ve conducted yourself in a manner far more grown up and reasonable than almost anyone else, kudos.
As for the general argument, Brad – love you dude – but this news story was only ever going to lead to an argument. To be sure, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t post it but posting it without the proper context was maybe not the wisest thing. I remain ignorant of what provoked his posts currently – reading 230 comments is about my daily limit 😉 – and it would be nice to make up my own mind about it rather than be told it’s wrong. Still, that’s just my opinion and I don’t run any websites so my opinion may not carry much weight.
Speaking of context, I do think there’s a big difference between saying someone did something once as opposed to saying it’s a regular occurrence. A personal example, when I was a teenager (some nearly 20 years ago now), I stole from an employer. Not in anyway a defensible action and I was caught. I didn’t ever do it again. Now there is a huge difference between saying the Hairychap stole something once and the Hairychap steal stuff, right? One is a stupid youthful mistake, the other is a pattern of criminality. Obviously a misrepresentation would upset me greatly.
I’m also a longtime podcast listener and have to agree with some negative comments about George. The last podcasts got pretty hard to listen to with his trolling comments towards people who consider things a bit negative here. I’m not sure how often it came up but it seemed like he was bleating on about negativity every 20 mins or so. By the end it felt like I shouldn’t be listening anymore because I’m not in the Berryman club. I don’t know him and I’m sure he’s a nice guy but give it a rest dude or alternatively get someone on who disagrees with him and have a civil chat about it.
Anyway, writing this is probably just adding fuel to the flames so I best stop. At the end of the day I’m enjoying Slott’s run and I enjoy your website too, I’d like you to get along but everyone has friends who disagree. I’ll still be lurking about here daily and posting comments every 4 months or so, all the best 🙂
its incredibly hypocritical to post this as news and not anything else slott says.
the site has a clear anti-slott bias when it comes to reporting “news”. where’s the stories about when slott says something friendly to someone on cbr or whatever? i once had a chat with him about his avengers run and he was pretty cool. i don’t see any posts about “slott says he enjoyed writing swarm in avengers!”. instead it’s “slott says user is a mongoloid” or whatever.
slott is a good sport, the fact he still frequents this site is evidence enough, when the bulk of the site is slagging him off. so what if he tells a fan to “eff off” or whatever. dozens of forum users tell other users to f off when they insult them or whatever. at least slott regularly reads and engages even with the negative comments (if somewhat non-constructively – but why should he be constructive? he’s the boss, it’s not like someone saying “carlie cooper is stupid” is going to make him suddenly have an epiphany).
i know most the people who run this site try to keep it professional, and have some sort of “relationship” with slott and wacker, but there’s “news” like this that just seems to be baiting some sort of crawlspace/slott and wacker square-off.
BD, how could you not see this was going to happen when you posted this as news?
@#215
You do realize that there were many of us who were trying to convince Slott to just ignore them, right? Hell, I myself felt that if the guy had it coming, then he was justified in saying what he did to him regardless of what others think. Stop lumping us in with them. When they go too far, they’re banned. They’re not placed on a pedestal.
So here’s the real question. How is Spidey ever going to get MJ back from Thor?!
That should be “if you’re actually about to” in the last line, my bad.
And this continues to be an embarrassment for several people, the fact that people can reserve such hate for people they’ve never actually met and give such verbal abuse to Dan Slott and BD is absolutely pathetic and a sad example at whats wrong with online comic fandom today and a fine example at why I usually have far better things occupying my time.
Seriously people, if you care about to actually insult someone you’ve never met before just turn off your damn computer
I really shouldn’t be posting again, as I assume I’ll get ragged on for posting again after I said I’d leave, but to answer the above question, post #193 answers the question just fine as far as I’m concerned.
It’s not like I’m never going to come back to this site – I come back here every day because in general it’s a great site (despite a few flaws), but petty articles like this very one seem…like such a waste. I’ll just be sure to avoid the comments section from here on in. My apologies for wasting everyone’s time. But hey – it seems like it brings out plenty of posters and publicity so I’m sure lots of folks are happy in the end.
Peter- Feel free to stop the complaining and open the topic up to debate in a civil way. You obviously are on Slott’s side and think he is justified to insult people right back. Feel free to elaborate.
I’m also not from CBR, and its a little…paranoid(nice way to put it) that Fred keeps assuming that. As if you need to be part of a specific website to see the venom this website can spew. Its clear as day in the comments section, has been for years.
Fred- calm down with Red Spider. If he says he’s not from CBR then fine. It doesn’t matter.
Red Spider- ” pushy petty gripes over real Spider-Man news. ” There were 91 news items posted on the front page for January. One of those took Slott to task. Again what is my agenda again?
The agenda seems obvious – just pushy petty gripes over real Spider-Man news. A shame to see stuff like this taint what’s a usually enjoyable fansite.
I am not from CBR, but if you want to keep thinking that to justify the behavior going on here, fill your boots. I don’t care. I’m already regretting posting any thoughts, since it’s obvious that if I’m not following the collective mind here, my comments don’t matter in the slightest. Later folks … I’m going to go read some comics. I’ve been meaning to finish off that Spider-Man: Origin of the Hobgoblin trade anywho. That’s a better way to spend my time than talking to this brick wall.
“Red Spider- What is my agenda? I’m curious to know.”
Don’t bother BD, he’s from CBR. Only CBR with the help of Wacker and Slott comes up with those talking points to bash this site.
“I actually don’t post at CBR. You shouldn’t assume that everyone who doesn’t like seeing what has happened to this site is from CBR. ”
Same taking points, same agenda. You are from CBR. If you were apart of this site, you would not have made the comment, knowing full well what the site respects all opinions and has a lot to offer to all people who like Spiderman. The agenda comment you just made proved who you are in spades
You’re not fooling anybody.
Red Spider- What is my agenda? I’m curious to know.
I actually don’t post at CBR. You shouldn’t assume that everyone who doesn’t like seeing what has happened to this site is from CBR. I don’t post there because I don’t like it there, either. Post #193 pretty much sums it up nicely, but will likely be overlooked or bashed because it doesn’t follow the agenda of whatever is being pushed here. (I know that last sentence is a bit over-dramatic, but it’s best way to put it)
Jack- Here’s my counterpoint. We have several very positive reviews of his Amazing Spider-Man work. We have several people post positive comments in the reply thread. We also post news, press releases etc promoting Dan’s work on ASM. But when you balance it out with discussion of something I feel he did wrong people then come down and say we’re bias. I don’t want a site that is a total shill for Marvel.
As far as the Crawlspace, aka me ,ignoring the negativity about the site at CBR. I’ll give you that point. I should bite my tongue like I’m asking Slott to do. So fair point. Trust me, Mark Waid essentially calling us Mos Eisley’s took some restraint.
@214,
You’d be surprised at what we ignore lol. Nobody has shot back at Waid yet..
On of the constant arguments here is that people look past the Crawlspaces could points, only seeing the bad. And that’s unfair.
Maybe it is. But if it is, isn’t it equally unfair to look past all the positive fan interactions Dan Slott has with fans and only post the negative conversations?
And if Dan Slott should ignore all the negativity about his work, shouldn’t everyone here ignore the negativity about the site?
Why is it one rule for Dan Slott and another for this site?
@186- Slott’s post got sent into the spam folder for some reason. I just retrieved it and it’s now up.
He says I harbor an “atmosphere” of hate here. No I’d say the internet harbors hate. As soon as I saw that tombstone post I banned his ass. I don’t put up with shit like that. He didn’t get the standard three warnings, I instantly banned him for a death threat. He didn’t have any warnings before that, I can’t be blamed for him snapping today. If you think I do share blame then it’s with you for going off on the fans in those above quotes.
Slott needs to get over the George go F yourself comment. You said it to a fan, we all regret it. George admitted that he was referencing you saying it to one fan and apologized for putting an ‘s on it. You’ve admitted it was wrong and I believe you. It was another example of how you should have bitten your tongue. And should have bitten your tongue when the others insulted you. But each person is different. You’ve said being a “professional” comic book writer is giving as good as you get. If they insult you, they get it right back. My argument is that has far reaching impact and turns people off who don’t think that is what a professional should do.
I’ll address this again why this article was news. I wanted to start a discussion on “professional” writers and if their online presence affects your reading of their work. It sure does take away from mine. I never thought I’d be saying this before, but after all this I’m considering dropping Amazing Spider-Man after giving Marvel my money for 30+ years.
Slott has also asked why I posted this article and not the one line comment from Alonso at CBR about Peter Parker dying. Here’s the reason, I honestly didn’t see it. I posted this article early in the morning on Sunday. The last thing I did for the day and then went to bed. The way I found your quotes is that I have a bookmark for your profile at CBR. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/member.php?u=4853
So I didn’t go directly to the first post. I saw your comments and was shocked that you were insulting folks again. So if you want some big conspiracy why I didn’t post the news item then go ahead and make something up. It’s the honest truth. Marvel often sends me press releases about upcoming Spider-news and I post that all the time. Posts that promote your work Dan. But I noticed you didn’t mention any of those old articles.
I do thank you for in the middle of your criticism of the site for taking time to add something positive of the site. That’s something I’ve asked you to do in the past to balance the negative with the positive. When you were on the crawlspace message board you would often just hone into the negativity and start a fight.
As far as cleaning out the garden with some bad weeds. My mods do that all the time. In fact I’ve had to ban and warn several people in this thread already .
But I guess since you’re never coming back to this site you’ll never see this reply.
Slott commented again but it went to spam, Brad approved it. In response..
“This is the hate that this site is capable of.
Dexter Fletcher, a regular poster.”
Dexter received a warning as did a few other people on here. FWIW I think he also posts on CBR.
“There were dozens of actual REAL news developments going on with Spider-Man that you chose NOT to run in favor of THAT. That were HUNDREDS of POSITIVE interactions that I had with fans in that time period that DIDN’T work into your narrative about me. You chose THOSE two quick posts to frame a story that would play well with your base.”
I know I’m missing the point you are making here but I do want to again point out that last week we ran a story from your Formspring in which was favorable to you.
“Am I culpable for Dexter Fletcher and some of the reactions of the worst element here?
Yes, on some level, I am. Because I’ve taken the bait and fed some trolls.”
I agree and glad we both recognize that.
“Am I responsible for their behavior? No. That’s theirs and theirs alone. That’s not on Brad, or George, or their parents, or anyone. It’s their OWN actions.”
Again, I STRONGLY agree.
“Does Brad have any part of this on his plate?
Yes. Because there’s an atmosphere here that you have allowed to grow– and with “news” stories and posts like the one that started this thread– you’ve FED into it.”
I’m sorry you feel that is what is happening here. As you can see in the comment section, we’ve at least taken out disciplinary actions against some of “that crowd”.
“But I’m done here. I swear to God, I am never coming back to your site.”
Sorry you feel that way. Your opinion of Crawlspace is what it is and I doubt much could be done to change it. If you ever want to stop by again I hope you can check out some “Bertone Hates Betty” (PLUG) as even the biggest Crawlspace detractors (and even some Marvel creators) have expressed a fondness for it. If you do come back I’m sure there will be some people who will say some not so nice things to you, same as Newsarama or CBR, but hopefully you’ll still be able to find some enjoyment …if not than best of luck to ya.
I really liked the advice JMS gave you on FB
“Let me try one last time to explain this: if somebody wants to slag me — which happens a lot in all kinds of places, including some run or frequented by some well-known writers — that’s their option. As long as they, like me and all other good citizens, stay on the right side of the libel line…by what right do I go in there and challenge him to a duel?
If I feel I have the right to say what I want on my own page, then I have to allow someone else the same right or the whole thing falls apart. I’m sure whatever he’s saying is on a par with what your associates are saying on their own pages. And I support wholly their right to do so without interferance from me. If I object when someone comes in here breathing fire, then I have to respect their rights as well to run the conversation their own way.
Dan, you’re a decent guy and a good guy. Also a really great writer. I appreciate that you’re concerned there’s somebody out there saying mean things about me. But I spent most of my adolescence and teen years as the Geek in Residence being laughed at, picked on and having mean things said about me. And the world didn’t end. Wasn’t nice, wasn’t pleasant…but the sun didn’t explode.
People are gonna say what they’re gonna say, good, bad or indifferent. But I don’t have to respond in the same way.
So thank you for the heads-up, but it’s okay. As long as everybody stays legal, I respect his right to his opinion, and support his right to express it.”
@204 Peter-Tone it down first warning.
@202- Derf that is one warning. Avoid the personal attacks.
“They come here to talk about how horrible the website is.”
You just admitted that CBR is coming here to cause trouble and flame the site. Nice to know that the people in CBR are the root of the problem. Oh boy, CBR jealousy of this site is funny.
“I guess that’s something to be proud of, eh?”
Hey, if you are proud of being a jealousy of a better web site than CBR, so much so that you need to spead rumors to bash it,more power to you.
“I guess that’s something to be proud of, eh?”
Damn right, its a honor to be apart of a site that has the pulse of what is really going on. Unlike CBR, which is considered a a shill of a joke.
“Wear that badge with pride Fred, ol’ boy.”
Amen:)
@#202
There’s a right way to criticize, and there’s a wrong way… guess which way you’re using? I’ll give you a hint… IT’S THE WRONG WAY.
@#204
We didn’t tell him to insult Slott, and no one agrees with him. If you ask me, he’s just flamebaiting people like YOU. And you just make it soooo easy for them. He doesn’t speak for all of us. STOP PRETENDING HE DOES.
^^^^ I’m presuming that user isn’t going to be around much longer…
@195
They come here to talk about how horrible the website is. I guess that’s something to be proud of, eh? Wear that badge with pride Fred, ol’ boy.
@202
Oh hey, ANOTHER guy insulting Dan Slott and claiming he’s a waste of air and below the level of diseased rats. Crawlspace really does breed the best fans.
I remember CBR having a thread before about how pros should act on the internet/message boards before and it was not pretty either, and I’m sure that it could have been worse if it was not a comments section which I suspect is a lot harder to moderate like what Crawslpace has right now.
As a human being, Dan Slott is a pitiful waste of perfectly good carbon that could have been used for diseased rats, or air pollution. At least he does great work with comics, though.
No, wait, hang on…he doesn’t do that, either. Why is he employed, again?
My apologies… that was meant for #192… see how crazy these long threads make people? FOR THE LOVE OF GRODD, MAKE IT END!!!!
200!!!!!!!!!!!
Enigma_2099: Are you talking to me or #192? Just wondering