It seems a certain Amazing writer is breaking his new years resolution of 2011 and hitting the message boards pretty hard again. Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott recently had some interesting quotes over on the CBR board. Read them and feel free to discuss.
“Sorry, sourpuss. It’s not like I bust your nut for things Don’tPeeInTheDeadPool posts, right? Why don’t you PM me when your internet-panties unbunch? “
And then there’s this Wheel of Fortune quote where you can make your own insult up.
“Every time you post, I wonder, “Can he be more of an *** ***?” (sp?)”
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The Modell Formspring thing was on the front page…as was pics of new Spidey merchandise…an update on a relationship with two Spidey supporting cast members and more. Some things get overlooked since this is more of a fan site than a news blog…but we have reported stuff about the book from your Formspring.
And what would Betty do?
“Editor Steve Wacker’s presence also affects me reading his work.”
Wacker has the uncanny ability for making anything look bad.
“He’s been banned from this website but continually hacks in with a fake IP address just to add insult to injury.”
And he still plays the same record over and over again. He knows damn well that he can’t defend a single point he has and can’t back up most of what he has said. That’s why he acts like an ass. Everybody knows his game, that’s why he’s not respected very much. Even some of the people in CBR are getting tired of him and his B.S and they usual let him and Slott get away with murder.
“In reading these 100+ comments Dan feels he is justified to tell a troll off and insult them right back.”
That’s Dan for you.
“He thinks that is being a modern day comic book professional.”
Dan does not live in reality.
“Also several people took me to task, called me a cunt and a bully for quoting Slott.”
Does anybody take those people seriously? You have proof of Dan’s behavior and you’re not the only one who has talked about it. I would not be surprised if those people came from CBR or the other web sites who follow Dan to defend him and his behavior. That’s pretty said if you think about it because they are as time goes by his so called fans are not helping him, only making excuses for his behavior and you know eventually, Dan going to do something so stupid that not even Marvel is going to be able to cover him. if you have seen the link on 142 http://arsmarginal.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/dan-slott-we-are-sick-of-your-shit/. You can see and scary escalating pattern that is only going to get worse as time goes by. You can see that by the way Dan is acting now.
“Why shoot the messenger?”
Because they can’t deny the truth.
“He’ll argue it’s out of context”
Because he knows he does not have an argument. So he rather jump around and make a mess of the issue. its what people do when they can’t win a debate. he probably got that from Wacker.
“For the first time in 30 + years I’m considering dropping Amazing Spider-Man due to the tone and behavior of Dan Slott and his editor Steve Wacker.”
You’re not the only one. The sales have pretty much proved it.
Take it easy BD, you’re a good man. Don’t let Wacker’s and Dan’s bullying and victim acts get you down. When you think of Wacker and Slott, think of the character of ‘Lonesome” Rhodes”, that right there should tell you something about them.
Have a good one:)
And here’s my final points.
1) Brad wrote this “article” which consisted of 2 of my replies to 2 rude posters which were spaced out over a couple weeks– run out of context– and made them FRONT PAGE NEWS on his site in favor of:
A pretty big tease that the editor in chief of Marvel dropped about Spider-Man (which was from the SAME thread where Brad found his first quote, which says a lot about his priorities).
Recent news that I’d be working on a newly announced Spider-Man comic based on the upcoming cartoon.
Any new interviews or reveals about upcoming Spider-Man stories.
Any of the dozens and dozens of POSITIVE online discussions or fan interactions I had in places where Brad and other Crawl Spacers have commented on. (And that’s an odd thing for Brad to do, considering how he claims that I only focus on the negative here and should look at the POSITIVE side of things.)
Or tons of Spider-Man related photos and new merchandise I posted both on Instagram and Twitter
And when people have called Brad on this, he had very nice rationalizations for why THIS was MORE important front page “news.” Even though he’s touched on this many times before. But I guess THAT is the news that Brad thinks Crawl Spacers care about more. (Personally, I thought it was supposed to be news ABOUT Spider-Man. But what do I know? Guess you have to play to your audience.)
2) In reading comments from his own MOD, and things which he has allowed to stay up on his site, Brad doesn’t see the problem of someone spreading really nasty misinformation about me– that I’d somehow REGULARLY committed MULTIPLE offenses of an act instead of being something I’d done ONE time in over 20 years. But it’s okay to laugh it off as a problem with an apostrophe. I’m glad that some of you took Brad task for that as well. Thank you.
3) While Steve Wacker is banned from this site, one of the people who is apparently ALLOWED to post here is someone who has had LEGAL ACTION taken against them for some of his psycho-fan behavior on another popular site. Guesses anyone? If you’re judged by the company you keep, I’ll proudly take Steve Wacker– you guys can take the psycho.
4) It’s perfectly okay to post links here to articles that have been crafted and cleverly edited by the same wonderful people whom Rich Johnston had to out as a group of people who were trying to unjustly frame me as a cyber-stalker. Here’s what Rich said about them over at Bleeding Cool: “Over the last 48 hours I have received several pleas to run a story alleging that Dan Slott is cyber-stalking an innocent woman. Except of course, said woman posted a personally critical piece on Live Journal. And Dan replied. E-mailers, that is not cyber stalking. That’s replying. And the fact that all your pleas were so similarly composed only confirms my suspicion that some people are trying to organise some kind of anti-Dan Slott movement. Look, I ran the original piece because it was funny. And it was atypical of Dan Slott. If it was Warren Ellis, I wouldn’t have bothered. Dan is generally a nice guy. You folk… not so much.”
5) Brad, if MY behavior has changed your mind about me and/or reading Spider-Man, YOUR behavior– in running this “article” of 2 posts– which came out WEEKS apart– where I fired back at rude posters– and then having you run them out of context– and then placing them on the FRONT PAGE of YOUR web-site as “NEWS”– has changed MY opinion of YOU. I don’t think you WANT to run a fair or positive board (at least where the creators of anything Post-OMD are concerned). I think all you care about is playing into the negative opinions that you claim you don’t foster– but actually do.
A lot of people here like to say “What would Stan Lee do?” Well, let me ask, “What would Spider-Man do?” If someone were trolling Spider-Man, would he quip back? Yeah. And you know what J. Jonah Jameson would do? Jonah would take stuff Spider-Man did OUT OF CONTEXT and run it on the FRONT PAGE on his biased newspaper. ‘Nuff Said.
I think the important thing to take home from this is that you can post jpgs and gifs on the comments! I’ve been here 4 years and this is first time I’ve heard of this.
“For the first time in 30 + years I’m considering dropping Amazing Spider-Man due to the tone and behavior of Dan Slott and his editor Steve Wacker.”
I knew this would end badly.
And here’s my final points.
1) I wrote the article to show examples of Slott’s tone when dealing with people and customers of his work on the internet. I did so to start a debate about whether pros should reply to trolls on the internet. My other point was that his online presence affects how I read his work. Editor Steve Wacker’s presence also affects me reading his work. He’s been banned from this website but continually hacks in with a fake IP address just to add insult to injury.
He was treated like everyone else and given three shots to avoid personal attacks. He couldn’t and was banned just like the dozens of others like him. CBR has a similar rule but it does not get enforced.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=269954
If it did the “Be polite” rule would have gotten Slott two warnings for the above quotes. The go F-yourself quote would have been three. Since the article went up Slott told Farmie Nudie to “Bite me.”
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=14635336&postcount=2060
2) In reading these 100+ comments Dan feels he is justified to tell a troll off and insult them right back. He thinks that is being a modern day comic book professional. So more power to him. Also several people took me to task, called me a cunt and a bully for quoting Slott. Why shoot the messenger? He’ll argue it’s out of context, my argument is you shouldn’t have replied at all.
3) I’ve also found that Dan takes exception to George using an apostrophe. He wants to make it clear he only told one person to “F off” online, not several. Fair point, but still he shouldn’t have replied.
4) I’ve found it sad that the comic book industry is so small and petty that we all can’t get along and talk to each other as if we were face to face. We all love Spider-Man otherwise why are we here?
5) For the first time in 30 + years I’m considering dropping Amazing Spider-Man due to the tone and behavior of Dan Slott and his editor Steve Wacker.
…Whoa. Go to work for 6 hours and look what I miss.
” All I see here are some pretty sad fans who can’t get over a story that happened a few years ago and likely never will. ”
While those people exist, I do take issue with that assumption. I haven’t missed an issue of Spider-Man in years no matter how much I hate a story. I’m not happy with OMD but it’s not something I think of when I open a new issue. If I don’t like something in a new issue like the art or the way one scene plays out, I’m tired of it automatically being “OH WELL YOU JUST HATE IT BECAUSE SPIDER-MAN AND MJ ARE NOT MARRIED” .
No. On behalf of all people who sometimes just don’t dig an issue STOP IT! Sometimes we don’t like a book because….we don’t like a book! It was like that before OMD! The general rule seems to be that if a fan hates something it MUST BE because of OMD.
Terrible title, but ignore that and just scroll down to the second half of the article: There’s a list of a few incidents online that demonstrate, if nothing else, Mr. Slott does indeed have a certain pattern of online conduct:
http://arsmarginal.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/dan-slott-we-are-sick-of-your-shit/
Hey gang,
Haven’t been on the internet all weekend, what did I miss?
Slott’s run on ASM has the book better than it’s been in years – even though the book was in pretty sad shape since around the mid-Clone Saga. Yeah, OMD/OMIT was terrible and it sucks but get over it. Slott is bringing some great stuff here. All I see here are some pretty sad fans who can’t get over a story that happened a few years ago and likely never will. You’re better than these people, Dan. They’ve made up their minds to be miserable. Don’t let them ruin you like they have this once-fine website.
Slott seemed to begin his career as a ‘nice enough’ guy and his writing was solid. I never thought it to be amazing, no pun intended, but solid.
After starting to work with Whacker it seems not only his work, but his attitude toward fans has gotten exponentially worse. Whacker should definitely not be allowed to ‘interact’ with fans on the web, nor should Slott.
I think both should be removed from the book. I don’t think either are worthy of writing or editing the ‘Spider-Family’ of books. To be honest I think Slott’s work has slipped so far that I don’t think he’s quite qualified to write for a company like Marvel. But maybe I’m thinking of the old Marvel I know and love, and not the new-age Marvel that seems to be falling behind.
A sad state of affairs in Spider-dom.
Dan, for the love of all that is decent STOP TAKING THE BAIT!
I take you for a more reasonable person than Steve Wacker and so I am even more disappointed in you when you bring yourself down to the level of internet trolls.
This post only appeared because you can’t just ignore the slime and get on with what you do well. YES writing comic books, not fighting pointless and petty arguments online!’ And please stop dissing the Crawlspace and acting likes it’s a bastion of Spidey hate. Sure some people complain, sure they are often the most vocal, but most of us are here because we love Spidey and tend to enjoy more than we dislike. I for one am a big fan of your writing and really really loved Spider Island. One of the best Spidey stories in years IMO. If I felt this place did nothing but hate on my beloved Spidey comic then I would not come here.
You really have to realise that NOTHING good comes from you arguing with people on message boards. You are not winning any arguments, you are just making yourself (and by extension Marvel) look bad. Even when the point you are making is right (and often IT IS!), you end up looking bad for being so petty as to respond and get into an internet fight about it. People say idiotic things on the internet all the time. 99% of us that read those comments, ignore them. They do not influence what we think, so your failing to respond would not allow them to “win”.
Just ignore the idiots. If you think Brad shouldn’t be bringing attention to the fact that you were arguing with people over at CBR, keep it to yourself. Or better still don’t argue with people over there either!
I’m afraid I have to agree with Brad that when you join in the mudd slinging it lowers my opinion of you and detracts a little from my enjoyment of the book.
But let me be clear. I am a fan of your writing, it has been BND’s saving grace for me so far. I look forward to more of it. Please just ignore the idiots and try and refrain Wacker too, he’s far worse. You want to respond to the haters? Go wrote great books! Nothing anyone says about how bad you are on the internet will change how much I loved Spider Island!
I haven’t been at the crawlspace as much as usual recently due to other commitments with work/writing/battlestar galactica marathon but I have to say this entire thread is an embarassment to read.
BD, it’s your site and you reserve the right to populate it with whatever you want be it stories about Slott that you feel passionate about (as is the case here) or anything else but this just seems like old news and the kind of article I’ve seen so many of. You chose to post this article but not a single member of the mods thought to post an article about Slott now taking over the Ultimate Spider-man animated series comic last week? I know everyone runs the board does so in their spare time but this article had time to be written. I know these kind of articles generate discussion but it’s always the same dicussion, right down to banned members returning under new IP.
And Slott, (although you’re gone) I’ve had people tell me that they wished I was dead online before, and I found comfort in the obvious fact that they were a sad pathetic excuse for a human being that wasn’t worth the time addressing them. I follow you on twitter because I enjoy the passion you bring to the medium, although I don’t agree with your take on the character I’ve still conversed with you on other topics (Also you playfully insulted my best friend when he tweeted shock that you tweeted me back, but that’s ok, Warren Ellis had already burned him so much nothing else will compare)but the negativity isn’t fun.
And Wacker, I dropped Punisher, sorry, wasn’t feeling it.
Dan Slott told one fan to “eff off,” when he was very tired, very sick and apparently in a bit of money trouble. He has said himself that that was probably not the best course of action. George Berryman is acting like he has done it many times.
Doing something once in twenty years means that it is not a normal thing for you to do, it is not your usual character. The problems Slott was having at the time explains why he had that out of character moment. Saying that he tells fans, plural, to “eff off” implies that it is a normal thing for him to do, it is usual for his character. Not mentioning the problems make it seem like it is in character.
It changes the story from someone having a bad day [the truth] to someone being an ass [a lie].
And the admins allow the lie to go unchecked.
“Fred is correct. #129 is another poster pretending to be me. This is something that’s happened to me on Crawl Space a number of times in the past– and another good reason for me to sign off, and block this site from my computer again.”
Spare us the nonsense. Crawlspace has always taken those to task for pretending to be creators. Stop making this site a scapegoat for your problems.
@#127 Two-Bit Specialist: sorry I was referring the last time on CBR when I talk to Slott…It’s not like I can ban him. Just that it’s bad to see Slott going back and forth like this when he can make more stories.
@107 Really? This whole thing doesn’t make either side look that great but those comments were beyond ridiculous.
Three final things:
1. Jack, I understand what you’re saying, but what makes this ABOUT Crawl Space is that this “News” wasn’t news. There were far more obvious news stories to run. BD has rectified that today by going with one of the most apparent ones (from the same, original thread that he culled one of his “newsworthy” quotes from.) No other web-sites chose to run with the story that BD did– something that he’s hammered into the ground before– and with (in my case) a quote that had a little more meat on it. That he went for this one to play to the cheap seats– and to run those quotes without context is far more telling than anything I’ve said on the internet in months.
2. If George doesn’t see the difference in how repeatedly portraying something I did ONCE in 20 years as something I do habitually, there’s NOT much I can do about that. And, Boomstick, if YOU can’t see how that’s an important difference as well, there’s not much I can do about that either. But there is a WIDE difference between those two portrayals– maybe you guys would see it if they were misrepresentations about yourselves.
3. Fred is correct. #129 is another poster pretending to be me. This is something that’s happened to me on Crawl Space a number of times in the past– and another good reason for me to sign off, and block this site from my computer again.
Glad I could give Brad some more hits with all of this silliness. Again, if you have any questions you want to ask– and you can phrase ’em in non-snarky ways, with no profanity, and no personal attacks against myself and/or my co-workers (not THAT hard to do, right?)– you can always find me at my Twitter address @DanSlott, over on my Formspring page, or CBR. Nothing is off the table, and even critical assessments of my work and what we’re doing on the book is welcome.
129 is not Dan Slott.
@Dan Slott: It’s about you. You ought to act better, or accept that when you curse at someone, someone somewhere will point it out because you are the writer of the most famous comic book character around, and you don’t get to act like the unknown writer of Ren & Stimpy anymore.
Oh none of you understand me
LEAVE ME ALONE
If you knew what I know about Wacker and what goes on behind those doors you wouldn’t laugh at me
This is the closest thing I can get to physical contact with another human being at this point without getting maced
Every time one of you snarks at me, it’s like you give me wonderful hate-kisses
I will not go away
Jnelums88- Yeah, you’re not an admin or mod so please don’t act like one. Please refrain from warning Slott or telling him to leave.
@Jnelums88 – Dude, we don’t tell creators/writers/staffers to leave.
Jesse-And here’s your first warning.
Mr. Slot just leave i’ve warned you about your behaviour. Just leave and go on with your life.
Note to Dan Slott; you should just quit Amazing Spider-Man given that the experience has turned you into a creepy ass cyber-stalker who systematically seems hell bent on destroying what good will you might have build up prior to One More Day/Brand New Day.
Then again, given that you got away with writing She-Hulk as one huge and insulting “slut shaming” storyline (complete with the Chewbacca Defense being recast as “She-Hulk is a whore, and if you agree with me that She-Hulk is a whore, then you must acquit my client of mass murder” as the pay-off to the entire series), you probably have no idea that you are losing it and need help. The type of help where you tell Brevoort and Wacker and Quesada to go to hell and quit ASM and basically walk away before you end up arrested for assault at a comic convention when someone dares offer you minor criticism on something.
If Howard Mackie, while producing some of the WORST Spider-Man stories ever written under god-awful edicts designed to punish fans of the franchise, could refrain from behaving like a jackass online circa 1999-2001, you too should be able to refrain from using the internet to act like a jack-ass.
I’m sure DC Comics would give you work and I’m sure you’d be better off emotionally and mentally working there than seeing your lifelong dream of Spider-Man turn into a nightmare of epic proportions.
Just freaking walk away. We won’t even ask for penance. Just walk away.
Jesse Baker
The picture of Stan flipping people off is photoshopped.
Wait, you can post jpgs and gifs on the comments? How do you do that?
Edit: I meant to say “claiming victim status for one small point while ignoring the others.”
Jeesh, I’m outta here.
Dan: I’m sorry to say this, but the Newt Gingrich approach of lobbing oratory bombs and claiming status for one small point while ignoring the others does not reflect well at all. Stan Lee did indeed lay into some, but that was the exception, not the rule. Frankly, this is just plain old trolling, and I really hope that’s not the impression you want to make.
Sad to say, comunication here is impossible. Goodbye and good luck.
And Bertone wins the thread.
People people…we are missing the most important point here…
Marla Madison made Spider Slayers
“Ah. I see you pulled your last post. Good use of “mod powers”. 😛 Anyway… I’ve got a LOT of work to do before they get into the office tomorrow. I’m sure there’ll be more of this nonsense. Knock yourself out. I’m gone.”
No I had Brad pull it cause I hit enter too early. It was part of the first sentence of the #114. I don’t have “pull” power on the board.
I did own up to it. It’s not that big of a thing to own up to. Yes, Dan. I had in the past used a plural instead of a singular.
Jesus.
Ah. I see you pulled your last post. Good use of “mod powers”. 😛 Anyway… I’ve got a LOT of work to do before they get into the office tomorrow. I’m sure there’ll be more of this nonsense. Knock yourself out. I’m gone.
Seriously? All of this over, literally, saying “tells fans to go eff themselves” instead of “told *a fan* to go eff himself.” A plural instead of a singular.
#93 is what made me decide to walk it back.
That’s my context. Context context context context.
Oh and context.
Yes, George. A FALSE claim you REPEATEDLY mad on this site– and NOW by saying things like “no matter to one fan or twenty” you are compounding it. What you did REPEATEDLY was wrong. What you’re doing now, more so. It was a lot better when you owned up to it instead of trying to weasel out of it.
@#105
George,
You misrepresented me. Now you’re walking it back. That doesn’t speak well of you, sir.
“I said I knew the context. I’ve always known the context. I get that you keep saying “context!!” to try to defend yourself.”
No, George. I’m saying “context” because there WAS a context. A context you ADMIT you understood but CHOSE to twist and misrepresent.
If someone screwed up and stole ONE thing in their life and YOU represented them as being a HABITUAL thief who stole ALL the time, that would be a pretty lousy thing to do.
You KNEW that in 20 years I only told one fan to go eff themself. It was in the post that you read and liked to paraphrase. Yet you REPEATEDLY stated, “Dan Slott tells fans to go eff themselves.”
THAT is playing something out of context. That is twisting it and being deceitful. That you understood what you were doing makes it worse. That’s not “asinine” to call you out on that. And THAT speaks volumes about YOU.
“Seriously, someone said it here earlier: What Would Stan Do. Try to remember that when you’re posting.”
And try to remember that Stan is a person who didn’t have to deal with the internet or fans who would pull the kind of stuff that you regularly do.
Stan DID go off on people in his early days. Hell, Stan still shows some of that to this day. (Are you REALLY going to make me pull out the photo of Stan flipping people off? I’d rather not.)
I LOVE Stan! I think Stan’s the greatest! And I DO hope to be like him in all of the best ways. But let’s be serious for a sec–
There are creators here whom I see people lionize and assign attributes to– and in MANY cases– I’VE seen those guys go off on fans– it’s just that YOU haven’t.
We’re ALL people. And we ALL have bad days.
I like how you avoid ALL of that context from that original “go eff yourself” post. It was ALL right there. That I hadn’t slept in days because I was working on scripts. That I was horribly ill. That I was bleeding in places and in incredible pain. That Steve ordered me off the current assignment to go to the doctor’s. That I had JUST returned from the hospital. That I was in a financial bind– and I had JUST turned down a VERY lucrative video game assignment that would have helped me out of that bind, but would have cut into my Spider-Man schedule. And THAT’S when I saw the post of someone mouthing off to me online, being VERY insulting, and saying I was ONLY doing it for the money. It was a perfect storm of the worst day in a God-awful month. Should I have bitched out that guy instead of taking MORE prescribed drugs and going straight to bed? YES! In retrospect, I SHOULD have done that. But guess what? I’m HUMAN!
And the fact that you KNOW ALL THIS and ARE STILL saying things like “no matter to one fan or twenty”– means that you’re DOING IT AGAIN. You’re avoiding the context to make the same kind of deceitful post– that it was some kind of every day event and that I’d do that to 20 people– when it took THOSE conditions for me to do it to 1 fan in 20 years of being in this industry.
You’re a real piece of work, George. I can’t believe I actually gave you credit earlier for admitting your mistake. You only seem to care about playing out the same negative narrative, searching for the same approval from the cheap seats EVERY TIME you distorted that event to read as “Dan Slott tells FANS to eff off.”
That’s not “semantics,” George. That’s deception.
“At the very least, post the entire exchange and let people make up their own minds about the situation.”
I hate to say it, but maybe that’s not a bad idea?
Dan:
First, thanks for the reply. It’s always fun to exchange discussion with one of the freative folks, even if we disagree. Here’s the problem as I see it: yes, comic sales are down across the board, but some far more than others. the fact that Spider-man, Marvel’s flagship, is where it is compared to the others is not a sign I like.
One thing I always thought would help a lot would be a return of the old revolving racks, put comics back in stores, make them ubiquitous again. Yes, doing digital is a geat step, a needed one, but bring back the old round racks again and I think comics sales would make up in sheer volume what they would lose on per copy price. If we got comics out of the LCS and , well…everyplace again, I think that would be a great step.
And my concern, objection if you will, to the storyline, is not so much antipathy as something worse: indifference. I’ve been trying to give BND a fair shake, I really have, but it’s gotten harder and harder to keep my interest up until gradually, my subscriptions have all fallen by the wayside.
Think of us as this board as the loyal opposition: Loyal to Spider-man, but differing on direction, obviously. That said, the readers to worry about are the ones we don’t hear form any more, the ones who have lost interest. Personally, I’d love to see something about Spider-man that would make me come back, but it’s gotten harder and harder to care one way or the other any more
But again, bring comics back into the corner stores and I bet that would be a partial remedy at least. I wish you and Marvel a reluctant au revoir and wish smoothe sailing and fair winds to our favorite webslinger.
I don’t think the guy who uses a hateful slur against women has any right calling out anybody else for lacking class.
“I have never been to this site before, and now I am thankful for that. I will not be back.”
We’re already lamenting the loss.
I am not a public figure in the comics world. This apparently gives me the freedom to speak my mind, whereas if Dan does it, it’s “unprofessional”.
To Brad or BD or whoever you are,
You are simply a cunt for posting this. I am actually FRIENDS with the guy Dan got into the exchange with, and I still think that you are a cunt. Why would you deliberately defame the guy? At the very least, post the entire exchange and let people make up their own minds about the situation. I have never been to this site before, and now I am thankful for that. I will not be back.
I am sure that you will delete this post because of the name I called you. That’s fine. It’s typical actually. People like you have no problem dragging someone else’s name through the mud, but if someone calls you on it you get all defensive. Like I said, you are a cunt.
“George, in 20 years of doing this, I told 1 fan that. 1. Under very specific circumstances– ALL of which were in the post in question– ALL of which you ignored.”
I said I knew the context. I’ve always known the context. I get that you keep saying “context!!” to try to defend yourself. I get it. We all do. That doesn’t erase it and it speaks a great deal about you and how unprofessional you were. That’s the context. Dan Slott being unprofessional is the context. Trying to say “Well that George Berryman is purposefully misrepresenting it!” is laughable and asinine. You did it. You said it. No matter to one fan or twenty.
Seriously, someone said it here earlier: What Would Stan Do. Try to remember that when you’re posting. You’d make things so much easier on yourself. I don’t get the luxury of throwing out “Hey go eff yourself!” at people, though I wouldn’t present myself that way to begin with. If I did it here Brad would kick me to the curb. If I did it for the company I work for, if I chimed in that way to one of our clients, they’d fire me in a New York minute. They’d be right to do so.
I don’t think you’ll heed that advice. No one would love to be proven wrong on that more than me. Yet I predict a snarky, half-filled-with-caps reply in about 5, 4, 3…
So an article regarding… disagreements among fans and Dan Slott has itself devolved into such a disagreement?
Just sayin’.
Well, if you want dialogue without snark, here’s my attempt.
Thank you for breaking up Peter and Carlie Cooper. I never thought that relationship worked, so I am glad it’s done and over with. I don’t think Peter much cared about her either, considering he never once thought about her during Spider-Island. Whether that was a mistake on your part or done on purpose, I don’t care. I’m glad that relationship is done. And thank you for MJ’s “I love you” during the climax.
I didn’t like the Sinister Six issue. I wanted to like it. I like Ock. I like villain stories, I like the Six. I thought the dialogue could have been a lot more polished, and a lot less expository. Nobody I know talks like that, and I thought the characterization of many of the Six was off. I know the reviews on the crawlspace said the same, and I know maybe we are in the minority as other sites gave it good reviews, but that’s how I feel.
I don’t care for Phil Urich as the Hobgoblin, and I am still very unhappy with how Roderick Kingsley was so easily dispatched. Why did Phil still have the laugh without the mask? Kingsley was on equal footing with Norman Osborn, and a lot shrewder. It should not have been that easy. I am hoping there is a big twist coming here, so I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. So if there is, I don’t expect you to spoil it here, nor am I asking you to. But if there isn’t, ant that is the end of Kingsley… I really don’t like it, and I don’t think you did the character justice.
I thought Kaine, as you wrote him was out of character during Spider-Island. He felt a lot more like Ben Reilly than Kaine. But Yost seems to be fixing that, and seems to show a lot of understanding for the character. I guess I can’t complain there, but I would have preferred to see Kaine being Kaine and not being Ben Reilly during Spider-Island.
I don’t hate your run. I like Big Time more than BND, but while there are parts I do like, as a whole, I find I dislike more than I like. I do have hopes for “Ends of the Earth” since I always liked Doc Ock, and I’m happy to see him getting a big story. I don’t care for diaper Ock, and hope there is a change coming. Again, I don’t expect spoilers, but I am hoping for the best on this one.
We both love Spidey, but I think we both have different ideas of who the guy is.
George, in 20 years of doing this, I told 1 fan that. 1. Under very specific circumstances– ALL of which were in the post in question– ALL of which you ignored. In the context of that event, you also ignored that the “fan” in question was being rude, that apologies were made on both sides, and that the fan in question admitted that he instigated things. You chose through some very deceptive “semantics” to paint the incident– REPEATEDLY on these boards– where you’re a moderator and an example– as something that I REGULARLY do to FANS in general. That IS big. And it was big of you to own up to it. And it’s not-so-big of you to start walking it back. Whatever.
Boomstick,
If you think that Gail Simone doesn’t go after trolls– and smacks them down with unrelenting fury– you haven’t been following her twitter page or ANY of her escapades on the message boards. 🙂 Gail makes Steve Wacker and myself look like choir boys. And this is coming from someone who loves Gail to BITS. Gail brings the HURT to some trolls SO hard, their monitors reach out and smack ’em!
And, no offense, if you think BD showed tact running what is NOT news AS news– and George showed tact, consistently painting a false picture of the eff-yourself incident here for SOME time now– I think the one being generous here is YOU. 🙂
The “problem of falling sales” is an industry wide problem. As someone who’s writing what Marvel considers to be its consistently best-selling solo book (not my words, the words of the higher ups), while I AM worried about EVERYONE’S sales, I am NOT worried about our sales in comparison. There’s a recurring narrative in these circles from people who DON’T see the ACTUAL numbers for the ENTIRETY of the market: direct market, newsstand, subscriptions, legal downloads, collections, foreign sales, etc. So it’s kinda hard to take the doom-and-gloom warnings from fans who try to piece together the big picture just from looking at what info they THINK they can find online.
If you guys knew the behind the scenes stuff that I know, you’d find a lot of this “Spider-Man’s falling sales” talk funny. I’ve been back at Marvel since ’04. They were happy with me with how SHE-HULK performed versus how they THOUGHT it would perform. They were NOT happy with how THE THING performed. They were pretty darn happy with how AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE sold– again, versus how they THOUGHT it would perform. I’ve seen this stuff before– and let me tell you– they are OVER THE MOON HAPPY with how well the Big Time run is doing– they are call-me-in-to-the-big-office-and-pat-me-on-the-back HAPPY with how this is doing! As people who can see all the angles on how ASM is performing (angles that you guys just DON’T see), they are UNBELIEVABLY HAPPY!
On another board, Steve let slip (I wish he didn’t, but he did) that he’s seen my plans (which have been approved) that go well through 2013– and we’re in January 2012 now. THAT’S a pretty good indication of JUST how happy the big guys are. I don’t know if they reported this here on the Crawl Space, but on a LOT of comic boards, review sites, and blogs around the web, ASM #655 (as single issue), SPIDER-ISLAND (as event), and ASM (as ongoing series) really cleaned up on a LOT of Best of 2011 lists. So it looks like we’re doing well with fans too! So, Boomstick, as someone who says they want ol’ Web-Head to succeed? No worries! We’re kinda already there. 🙂
Dalmations!