It seems a certain Amazing writer is breaking his new years resolution of 2011 and hitting the message boards pretty hard again. Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott recently had some interesting quotes over on the CBR board. Read them and feel free to discuss.
“Sorry, sourpuss. It’s not like I bust your nut for things Don’tPeeInTheDeadPool posts, right? Why don’t you PM me when your internet-panties unbunch? “
And then there’s this Wheel of Fortune quote where you can make your own insult up.
“Every time you post, I wonder, “Can he be more of an *** ***?” (sp?)”
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SW,
I guess I’m who you’re addressing as “the guy who said Dan should watch what he says because he’s a ‘public figure’.” Let me remind you, sir, that I specifically wrote in the same post that I’m not taking a side. Anyone who makes a negative comment online, be he Dan Slott or Brad Douglass, can have that comment follow him. I wrote that statement in a kind a cordial manner, did I not?
I disagree with your statement that the posters here are public figures in the same sense that Dan is. Perhaps that is true of Brad, as he works in television. But many of the posters are all but anonymous. They can say what they like under the cloak of anonymity. Dan does not have that luxury when he posts under his own name. Not a judgment. Not condemnation. Just a fact.
And here’s another fact: I wish him and you well. Writing and/or editing for a character like Spider-man, who provokes passion in so many people, cannot be easy. I may not agree with every decision you’ve made, but I recognize what a tough job the two of you have.
Have a good day.
@48
I’ve asked that same question before – even used Tom DeFalco as an example as well. Think I got called “bully” for asking it. Heh.
What would Stan Lee do?
I suppose just as good a question is what would Stan Lee not do?
@35 – Fair enough. From hence forth I will only refer to the one time you told a fan to go eff himself, making it more specific and less general. And yes, have a great week.
@45 – Same old predictable Wacker post. Blah blah you’re bullies blah blah SW.
I can’t help but laugh at the above comment. Not because Mr. Wacker came back AGAIN, or anything that he has to say, but the fact he’s using the pseudonym “Gorge Barryman”…
Brad knows his audience. His pitchfork mob jumps at the whistle that’s for sure.
To the guy who said Dan should watch what he says because he’s a “public figure”, I’d remind you that the posters here are just as much a public figure as Dan is. I suspect the rules don’t apply to the bullies like Brad And George though.
What a sad sight this place has become, as rude and boorish as ever but still desperate for Dan and my’s attention. Life is sure funny
SW
@#42
Well, I have on occasion been accused of being a sexy beast.
One guy actually claimed that chewing his tobacco would turn me into a sexual Tyrannosaurus… then we went hunting for a predator…
… true story, I swear!
@Dan Slott:
Unhopefully on the web, any bad word will be remebered for ever and ever. Best thing to do when you feel like writting something you migh later regret is doing what one of my teacher in HR told me to do before posting something: write it on word, re-read it, and then if you can find even one word that might be used out of context, delete it. It will save you a lot of trouble 🙂
Yea a former member claimed it was them. They also claimed about 20 other things at the time that weren’t true. They were banned. After being banned they said they would accuse Crawlspace of sexual stuff. It was bizarre.
…Sorry, just read Bertone’s post. That issue is dead and buried. My mistake.
Which members hacked Slott’s Wiki page?
Dan,
Not taking a side here, but I have to point out that as a public figure, anything you post on the internet can and will follow you, potentially for the rest of your career. Entire careers have been ruined by one slip of the tongue or a sequence of ill-advised keystrokes. Hasn’t happened in your case, nor am I saying it should, only that it could.
Bertone,
Other companies can and do police what their employees say online. A sales rep who worked at my company was fired for a Facebook post. I’m not saying that Marvel or Disney should do the same, only pointing out that it is done.
Both of you have a pleasant rest of Sunday and a nice Monday too while you’re at it.
-applauds Bertone-
You know what would be great, if everyone took this all a little less personal and we could just benefit from the interaction of slott and wacker here. i really enjoy when they comment but sadly its only ever cause trouble is brewing. its a big shame.
First off, I’m asking as a Mod here that everyone don’t use this as an excuse to go hog wild on Slott. Got an issue with his writing? That’s ok to discuss. Got an issue with his online interactions? Discussable here as it’s “on topic”, but only within reason. Say your opinion on it but no name calling, comparisons to babes or anything like that. You will be warned or banned.
I don’t think Marvel has a right to tell employees to not go on the internet. They can certainly dictate how they publicly interact with fans if they so wish, but we’d be comparing Marvel to Nazis if they said “don’t go on message boards” to their writers.
Regarding the person who edited Slott’s wiki.. a former use came forward and said it was them. It was a user who was already banned. Based on their past claims and they way they always tried to curry favor I question if they did it, but they were already banned. I can’t speak to everyone else but all the staff members I spoke to thought it was disgusting.
I am not out to change Slott’s opinion of Crawlspace because I truly don’t think anything will change his minds. Before I was a mod I personally saw members banned with no prior warnings if they did something like say “this hate song is dedicated to Quesada”. There is discipline if you look for it.
To Slott personally if he is still reading: Thanks for the interview we did at COMIC-CON 2010 and being a good sport holding the “Crawlspace” sign. You sat on the floor outside due to conditions of my recording equipment which was nice of you. I loved it when I stumbled onto “Flash as Venom” and you tried to sway the conversation. I didn’t realize the significance of it until months later. If you never want to do another interview like that again I get it, but if I see you at COMIC-CON 2012 I’m still gonna ask fully prepared to be shot down.
And if you want to see Crawlspace be REAL negative, check out “Bertone Hates Betty”. It’s my whole editorial series on my disdain for Betty Brant..it even has the word “hate” in the title….Crawlspace can’t hide from that.
@#33 George
I wasn’t referring to your earlier post.
I was referring to MULTIPLE posts you’ve made here on the message boards that I was able to easily find. Sorry if it’s okay for you to be conditionally honest HERE but not elsewhere on the site. You have repeatedly said that I’ve told FANS (plural) to eff off, when you KNOW that is not the case.
George, I conduct myself with people as they comport themselves with me. To the matter with JMS: I had off board discussions with JMS that were perfectly polite and easy going. I saw a simple gaff caused by JMS’ misunderstanding (that he didn’t know the source of KBox’s chart– or how insanely inaccurate it was– based off faulty Diamond estimates, w/ the top two-thirds of that faulty data excluded, and put together by someone with an axe-to-grind.) The more JMS found out about that, the more he regretted posting it. It was a simple mistake. And the whole thing really was a case of a tempest-in-a-teapot. (Much like two out-of-context responses to two repeatedly rude posters). Hardly news. And something that could’ve easily blown over if OTHER people didn’t keep showing up to “stir-the-shit” and egg that drama on.
What’s happening HERE on this talk back board is NOT indicative of my relationship with fans– as some are trying to paint it. I’ve had and continue to have NUMEROUS positive encounters with fans at shows, signings, and, yes, even on the internet.
Here’s a challenge for you– get Googling and find ONE person who’s had a bad run-in with me in person. Find ONE mention of a fan who’s come into contact with me at a show or signing and NOT had a positive experience. Same goes for someone who comments on just bumping into me on the street. That’s not a question about me “being on” at a show. That’s just my nature. And that holds true for fans who say they AREN’T enjoying the book and who’ve wanted to talk to me about what they’re upset about. But take the “real world” out of the equation– give a dissatisfied fan a dash of “internet persona”– complete with playing-to-their-base, snarkiness, and (sometimes) the bravado that can come with an anonymous screen name– and you can be talking about something else altogether.
If you’re repeatedly rude to me (like BOTH of the posters in BD’s “News” article) have been in the past, I have NO PROBLEM with answering back in kind. If you slander, spread misinformation, or attack my co-workers– I’ll have a problem with you too. And I don’t regret that one bit. I’m perfectly fine with my behavior online. I have serious and thoughtful discussions with those who want to openly and respectfully talk about what they see as the book’s shortcomings, flaws, and problems. You want to discuss that, come over to my formspring page and ask anything you want– minus vulgarity, rude behavior, or personal attacks– and it’ll be just fine. You want to spew profanities while you’re doing it and throw an online hissy-fit, you’re probably getting your message deleted and unanswered. That seems like a very fair system to me.
Final note. George, if you actually DO want me to have a great week, please drop the practice of using the misleading phrase that I’ve told FANS (multiple) to go eff themselves. It’s clear from your last post that you know that’s not the case, so I’d appreciate it if you’d do my the honor of NOT spreading that falsehood again in the future.
Slott seems to bring this stuff upon himself.
Just concentrate on your JOB,man!
“Got you. So you’re AWARE of the context. Aware that it was only ONE time. Yet you just like being misleading about it and making it sound like it was multiple times and to multiple fans. That’s not “classy,” George. That’s far from it. That’s actually very deceitful of you.”
In my earlier post I referred to the “Hey go eff yourself” moment. Not moments.
“That’s not “classy,” George. That’s far from it. That’s actually very deceitful of you. But if that’s the way you want to roll, “God bless you” too. Glad the mods on this board are held to such high standards. I understand that BD can’t “police” everyone’s behavior here. But you’d think he’d be able to stop his mods from posting misleading and deceptive things. Whatever.”
All that from “God Bless you?” What would I have gotten if I had said “Hey Dan, have a great week?”
“And the fact is, CBR put it back up because Jonah wanted the hits. The story had traction at Bleeding Cool, people were trying to link to it, the couldn’t, and Jonah realized he could get more hits to his site if he put the post back up. It had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being “called out”.
My bad then. I thought it was because CBR got caught for trying to cover it up on their forums. I wasn’t aware it was because Jonah wanted the extra traffic brought in by people discussing your behavior.
“Your analysis of both this and your past beliefs/hopes of how Disney should take action shows some basic misunderstandings of how reality works. But all the power to you.”
We’ll just agree to disagree. I will throw out some unsolicited friendly advice though – feel free to take it or leave it, of course, it’s up to you. Many people did note that the tone you took during the JMS/Wacker/Waid debacle was markedly different than how you’d address fans at CBR or elsewhere. Seriously, if you interacted with comic fans/consumers the same way you dealt with your fellow comics professionals you’d probably stop catching so much heat. Anyway, just something to think about. Hey, have a great week Dan. 8)
I hear what you’re saying Enigma. But it’s hard to stand by when people are being misleading about you AND “high roading” at the same time. This is one of the few times in AGES that I’ve given the time of day to this stuff here at the Crawl Space. It will probably be the last. If BD’s “News” story hadn’t shown up on my iPhone’s Google alert, I’d probably blissfully be ignoring CrawlSpace and this nonsense as usual.
Anyone else more amused by the picture BD used. HEHE, Marvel photo-bomb
@#26 Tiger Topher
I liked Sins Past 😛
And we can at least give credit where credit is due and thank Mr. Slott for splitting Peter and Carlie up.
Way to cherry pick, Dan. Several of us, myself included, offered simple advice. JUST IGNORE THEM. But you only see and respond to what you want to. And like always, I’m expecting your “friend” to show up and side with you any minute now.
I can’t tell you not to get upset OR respond to stuff like this, but if it’s really causing you that much frustration, just ignore them. Some of us do wish they’d just leave you alone because this isn’t helping anything. But when you turn around and do this, it becomes a little harder to feel bad for you.
I’m staying out of this. This is just going to end bad anyways.
So walk away while you can! There’s no such thing as a winner here!
~Lament~
@#25 George
Got you. So you’re AWARE of the context. Aware that it was only ONE time. Yet you just like being misleading about it and making it sound like it was multiple times and to multiple fans. That’s not “classy,” George. That’s far from it. That’s actually very deceitful of you. But if that’s the way you want to roll, “God bless you” too. Glad the mods on this board are held to such high standards. I understand that BD can’t “police” everyone’s behavior here. But you’d think he’d be able to stop his mods from posting misleading and deceptive things. Whatever.
And the fact is, CBR put it back up because Jonah wanted the hits. The story had traction at Bleeding Cool, people were trying to link to it, the couldn’t, and Jonah realized he could get more hits to his site if he put the post back up. It had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being “called out”. Your analysis of both this and your past beliefs/hopes of how Disney should take action shows some basic misunderstandings of how reality works. But all the power to you.
Dan, I really don’t know why you waste your time and effort getting into it with people online. Wouldn’t your time be better spent doing something constructive like undoing One More Day, killing Carlie Cooper or retconning Sins Past?
I don’t suspect Disney would do anything with regard to how Marvel’s employees represent Marvel and Disney publicly. They haven’t yet, which tells me they’re fine with the at-times unprofessional manner in which said employees and representatives address consumers.
“Classy and more than a little misleading. He doesn’t mention the context of that 1 occasion, or that (yes) CBR did put it back up, or that the person I was responding to apologized and said that HE was out of line for making the initial comment.”
I am fully aware of the context. It does nothing to justify the unprofessional response. And CBR only put it back up because they got called out for trying to sanitize it.
“Stay classy guys. Fight the good fight.”
It’s what we’ve been doing for years now. Have a great Sunday and God bless you, Dan Slott. 8)
@#13 BD,
Yes. I have BlockSite to, well, block this site and a lot of negativity, baiting, and misinformation that goes up here. Blocksite’s on this computer and my laptop, but… got my first iPhone recently and your “News” story showed up there on a Google alert. Shouldn’t have read it. But I did. So I disabled the program to make this morning’s post, to read some of the replies, to make this post, and now it’ll go back up.
From a quick look around I gotta say, I just see more-of-the-same. I love how George has taken the 1 time I told 1 person to eff off in 20 years and has spun that on your boards into a mantra of “Dan Slott tells FANS (plural) to eff off.” Classy and more than a little misleading. He doesn’t mention the context of that 1 occasion, or that (yes) CBR did put it back up, or that the person I was responding to apologized and said that HE was out of line for making the initial comment. But that’s Berryman-logic for you, as long as it fits HIS narrative, that’s all that matters.
I like some of YOUR double-think too– where you can strongly advise about ignoring asshole-ish, baiting, and trolling things online– but then pull a masterful piece of rationalization for why any of THIS is “NEWS” and should be on the front page (out of context) of your very non-negative web-site. Whatever.
As for the formspring comment that I ran (instead of ignoring)– It is MY belief that every now and then when someone is bombarding my site with the same hateful messages, sunlight can be a good disinfectant. There was no way to pull his question OUT of context, I addressed it, and used one of his other MANY posts for the ban/block/report function.
Anyone who follows my twitter and/or formspring pages know that I do answer many critical responses of the book as well as praise, and if the poster ISN’T rude we’ll actually discuss whatever problems they have. But if they ape someone’s behavior like Dexter Fletcher’s frequent obscenity-laced posts on CBR, or take PERSONAL shots at staff or fellow creators, I don’t mind firing back in kind. End of the day, the people working on the book ARE people and shouldn’t have to put up with ANY kind of attacks (not criticisms, ATTACKS) if they don’t want to.
The posters going on here about “Disney employees” and/or “Marvel employees” really don’t seem to understand what Disney and/or Marvel cares about the kind of “outrage” that only seems to bubble and boil in the world of internet-message-board-drama. It’s kinda silly how a Berryman or Fletcher thinks this works and how much that differs from… well… reality. Oh if ONLY Disney would come on from down high and fire Steve, Brevoort, or myself for things that only seem to upset people here. What could they possibly be thinking, right? It’s gotta happen soon though. You should set your watches. The same ones that’ve been ticking away for 4 years now. 🙂
Stay classy guys. Fight the good fight.
I hate it whenever I see stuff like this. I’m not disappointed in Slott, but in Crawlspace for even giving these ramblings the time of day. Show some class Cralwspace!
Slott’s run on ASM is the best the title has been in a long, long time. The bullies here are disgusting.
I’ll say this about Dan, I’ve enjoyed his past work on She-Hulk, Avengers Initiative and I have my enjoyable stories during ASM both pre and post BND. However, I think he does take online sayings and other postings a little too literal. Let’s face it, people bash Brian Michael Bendis to pieces and I know Judd Winick gets a lot of flack, but in the end they are all professional and say: “Well, it’s their opinion, and in other things in life, I’m right there with them, but as a writer, you have to take it with a grain of salt.”
If I recall correctly, didn’t Mr Slott say he was using some software to keep the site from showing up on his computer or something? I speculated (half jokingly) that for sure Mr Slott still peeked in here from time to time, but he was at least living up to his “vow” that he wouldn’t interact with the site anymore. Turns out I was right! Hey, there’s a first time for everything. 🙂
I think its great that the writer and editor of ASM are willing to interact with fans on the internet but they need to be so much more professional. They come out with these desperately smart-ass comments that just come across as immature and unnecessary. What do they think they are achieving by acting like this? its hardly going to change peoples opinion. I appreciate that they work hard and are proud of their work but surely its obvious that criticism is part of the industry they work in and snapping at prospective buyers and fans is just so foolish? Just please wise up Mr Wacker and Mr Slott. Let the comics speak for themselves! Dont get wound up!
This is like watching a meth addict try to talk his way out of a corner. “I can quit whenever I want!” Sure you can, Dan. 😆
Mr. Slott,
As a Law Enforcement Officer I learned several years ago to ignore posts on the Internet about myself and my co-workers. Trolls who want to bad mouth you and your peers are just waiting for your response. You may respond with what you believe is a defense, but the Trolls will turn it around against you.
Like me you are in the Public Eye. You need to show you are a better person and ignore the “baiting” and negative posts.
@BD. Thanks for your site, it brings me a needed break when I can’t get to my LCS.
“The link to CBR doesn’t work”
Maybe CBR sanitized it already, the way they did after the “Hey go eff yourself” moment. Still, I think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen a Disney employee publicly discuss busting someone’s nut. Heh.
Mike 13- I just updated the link. It may not be working if you aren’t a registered member of CBR.
The link to CBR doesn’t work…
@#5Dan,
I thought you banned my site from your computer? Nice to see you’ve unblocked it.
Did I misquote you? Did I make those quotes up? People can click on the CBR link and read the pages of comments leading up to your insults of the two message board folks. Do they deserve to be insulted? Yeah they probably had it coming. But I think the head writer on Amazing Spider-Man should be a better man and let the trolls wallow in the mud. I think your personal attacks and insults taints more than the intended person. It’s affecting myself and others who have a hard time separating your work from your online presence.
I remember you posting in 2010 that you wanted your new years resolution to stay off of message boards. I still think it would be a good suggestion, especially if you can’t handle insults and personal attacks. Sure there are assholes online and in real life. But you can’t get a blow torch and try to kill them all with an insult gun. You’re making yourself look bad and turning folks off from your writing, myself included.
And to your point of your inside knowledge of the Crawlspace and how my users hacked your Wiki page. Where did that come from? I don’t own or post on Wiki, how can I police that? Which users did that, should I ban them for doing it?Why don’t you ban them from buying Amazing Spider-Man? Should I ban them from the internet?
As far as posting the front page article. I think it’s a valid point of discussion what should and should not be an online presence for a writer of Amazing Spider-Man. I didn’t even post your worst quote from your foamspring account.
A troll asked you online about rape. You should have ignored it and deleted his post. You have to approve those questions before they’re posted. Here is a cut and paste.
“Who do you wanna rape ?
You are a horrible person. You probably think this is funny. You probably think it’s daring. You probably think it’s something HI-larious to throw out there– thanks to the anonymity of the internet. But it’s not. It’s sad.
And if our loved ones in the hereafter can see us here in the land of the living, know this:
Today, all of your ancestors are more than just a little ashamed of you and your actions– even though they were just a few keystrokes on something like the internet– everyone who’s ever cared for you and then passed on to the world beyond, they all care about you a little less.
I am SO glad you sent me multiple oh-so-hysterical-in-your-mind rape questions. That way I could respond to THIS one, and ban/report you for the rest.
Grow up and find a conscience.
DanSlott responded 3 days ago”
Why in the world would you reply to this guy or gal? It’s just leading to more hate.
It’s not hard to get what Slott wrote… and it just turns into this never ending “he said, she said finger pointing” situationwhere everybody acts like a dick,regardless of what side of the fence you’re standing on… who started it? WHO CARES!!!! It’s the internet… it’s not like your opinion actually matters.
It’s like watching babies in the MMA… and everybody is guilty of getting in on the acts…
Flame away…. but those are just my thoughts…
“I dunno… maybe he shouldn’t make them?”
Good point, i doubt it tho.
I dunno… maybe he shouldn’t make them?
Every time Slott makes a derogatory statement in a forum it will be on the front page?
Slott, show yourself as the better man and just ignore them.
… did I really type that?
Bring Back Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz. They understand what Spider-man is about.
The thing is (And as much as I hate the BrandNewVerse), A good writer should be able to write around restrictions or write themselves out of a corner. None of the more than 4+ years since OMD thus far can or will be considered classics. That’s pretty bad after more than a hundred issues that not a single story or arc can be given the gold standard. Speaking of OMD, I still do not see the purpose of Quesada undoing the marraige at all when there was a gigantic elephant in the room at the time (and it’s still there) in the form of Ultimate Spider-Man. Do any of you Crawlspacers know if he was ever asked about USM having an eternally young single Spidey when he was running around saying he hated the 616 Pete/MJ union?
Nice baiting, BD.
I notice that you had to go back a few weeks for your “Wheel of Fortune” quote.
And that you had to run it without the context of the post it was responding to, where THAT poster was taking shots at Marvel writer, Rick Remender. Or that he was the same poster who, on many occasions at CBR, has made MANY unwarranted personal attacks aimed at Marvel creators and staff as PEOPLE.
Whenever I’d mention you, Brad, in reference to the Crawl Space, I’d say things to the effect of “He’s a nice guy, but his site has become a place where the most negative of posters gather…” But with a post like this, your need to cater to that crowd makes it hard for me to stand by the “he’s a nice guy, but…” stance. In the past you’ve said that the Crawl Space is more than just the negative attitudes specific posters put up here and that yourself and the moderators can’t police their actions, stop regular Crawl Space users from spreading lies and/or misinformation, or control their activities off board (like, for example, vandalizing my Wiki account).
You’ve said that MY online presence has ruined a lot of the book for you– yet, today, when YOU’VE put up a front page post like this to specifically curry favor with THAT element on your board– (though it won’t mean much to you, I’m sure) but it ruins MY opinion that “Brad Douglas is a nice guy” image I used to have of you.
I agree, I loved Slott’s work on She-Hulk and the Spidey/Torch series, but his work on ASM is garbage. I blame multiple factors on this, he’s obviously suffering from creator burnout, he’s been saddled with an unlikeable status quoe for the books and keeps taking lickings from the fans for it (as do other ASM writers who sell out and write this junk), and Marvel are insistent Spidey stay “young” and not progress anymore,that leaves Slott only with the traditional Spidey wise-cracks essentially…and he’s long since run out of jokes.
As a reader I find Slott’s writing on the book to be generally in the B, B- range. However, I really can’t mentally put aside his online persona when I read the book. His presence online really just ruins a lot of it for me.
It’s like something came unhinged in Slott’s brain starting around Brand New Day. I can’t believe this is the same guy who gave us that legendary ground-breaking run on She-Hulk and that hilariously well-written Spider-Man/Human Torch mini series. His writing post-BND reads like horribly bad fanfic. The last couple of years’ interwebs shenanigans haven’t helped him either. He could have used the time he spent flaming 1 4 year-old virgins on message boards to tighten up his storytelling instead. Time to get Christos Gage helming ASM. He is the only current Marvel writer outside of Fraction, Aaron or Hickman who knows how to pen the wallcrawler and the world he inhabits. I highly doubt any of those aforementioned guys will leave their respective books for Amazing.
Oh Slott. PR just ain’t your thing sometimes.