The epilogue to the Spider-Island saga brings us to the end of the Queen’s terror, Kaine’s stay in New York, and Peter and Carlie’s relationship.
Wait, what was that last one again?
“Spider-Island Epilogue: The Naked City”
Story bt Dan Slott
Art by Stefano Caselli
Colored by Frank Martin
Lettered by VC’s Joe Caramagna
THE PLOT: In the aftermath of Spider Island, New York begins its acclimation with normal, everyday life. Kaine leaves for New York to start anew, and Eddie Brock is given public credit with curing the citizens of the Spider Virus. Jackal has survived as well.
LONG STORY SHORT: Carlie reveals to Peter that she’s figured out his identity and promptly dumps him. Peter goes to Doctor Strange for an explanation on why the mind block didn’t work, and Strange explains that he blew it once he went on television revealing to have powers. Peter’s back to square one with his identity. He takes a vial of the cure and gives it to Mary Jane, who shows him how appreciative New York is of Spider-Man by pointing him in the direction of the Empire State Building, lit up with red and white.
MY THOUGHTS: The feelings I have for this issue may seem at first to simply reflect on the fact that it’s legitimately the end of Spider Island, but honest to God I felt as though this was the best issue out of the whole arc. The wrap up scenes, while not always brilliantly written, were handled with skill and the emotions felt by the characters came off as humane and believable. While there were questionable and downright conflictive beats meant to just be sound bites for the cameras so-to-speak, I felt that the personality of Peter, Mary Jane and the others was all there when it counted. It makes me feel a bit better about Spider Island as a story, and while it may not win any Eisners or anything, this final issue solidifies it as amusing and entertaining filler all the same.
Beginning with the art, Caselli returns after Ramos takes a well earned break from the title upon completing six solid issues with massive fight scenes and characters galore. I may’ve been iffy on some issues art-wise over others, but no one can deny the amount of man hours and effort Ramos clearly poured into this arc. Caselli’s return presents us a well earned breather from the hyperactive story and artwork, and everything looks great. I really like his style, and though there were a few minor gripes such as Aunt May looking like Norah Winters, I dug it for the most part. I love how he draws Spider-Man’s costume, especially his gloves which look like a real suit that was sewn and constructed with actual fabric as opposed to spray painting a male figure. It’s artists like Caselli and Todd Nauck that bring a sense of fun believability in their artwork while still making it look fantastic and appealing. Same goes for the incidental characters. The workers at Horizon Labs all have unique fashion styles to them while looking very contemporary and realistic. His anatomy is great too, drawing both Peter and Spider-Man to be strong, athletic looking people without making them be too big and muscular. Probably the best thing I can say about Caselli’s art for this particular issue is that the entire beginning sequence is one big nudity joke, yet we get zero shots that are served for the male gaze in terms of gorging on the female anatomy. THIS is how you do it. People are naked, that’s a fact. Despite this, neither Carlie nor Misty Knight are given a pornographer’s POV in terms of panel appeal. Bravo Mr. Caselli, bravo indeed.
Unfortunately the writing didn’t match the art’s sense of taste when it came to the situation at hand. With one of the most densely populated cities on the planet having its citizen’s being mostly sans clothing, there’s going to have to be a joke or two about the nudity. I did find Slott’s take on it to be a bit childish. This might be my perspective on nudity considering my politics, or even that I’m a former art student who gazed and drew both naked men and women for hours at a time several days a week. Whatever the case may be, the people all freaking out about the nudity felt silly to me, as though they haven’t seen the human body before. I’m willing to see that as a personal take rather than a scripting flaw though. I did like Hawkeye’s explanation for why he, T’challa and Misty Knight were not freaking out about being naked being that they’re always in skin tight clothing most of the time anyway. That explanation was good.
What was not good however, and this is a scripting flaw, was Slott’s explanation as to why certain design aspects remained for the newly reformed victims of the Jackal’s virus. Black Panther comments on how he’s lost his beard, yet keeps his haircut. Misty Knight has her headband, and Carlie has her glasses, hairstyle neatly folded and her tattoo. When this is questioned, Hawkeye says “Hulk keeps his pants, just roll with it.”
No.
That’s a very bad way to write oneself out of what is clearly a logic problem. It’s also one of the several deadly sins of writing. Writers should never point out the flaws or plot holes in their stories by way of characters or otherwise, only to do nothing about it or have it not mean anything. Slott, not Hawkeye, basically says to the reader “Stop thinking about things that don’t make sense and read the comic.” I can chuckle with the Hulk comment because that’s a fair comparison, but Slott is the one writing the issue here. Slott is in control of the rules and nature of the story. Slott has made these design aspects stick for no reason, and essentially mocked the reader for recognizing them as the flaws they are. Why not just have everything the way it would be? Carlie has no more tattoo, is missing her glasses and her hair in down. How hard would that be? Again, the only way this could be salvaged is if it’s part of some grand master plan by a mad scientist down the line, and if that’s the case then that’s pretty ridiculous.
Similarly, like fellow reviewer and personal rival Erik Lexie had commented on, the revelation that the Jackal is still alive has set in stone the utter worthlessness of the character. At this point who really cares that he survived? He seemingly can’t die because he has clones of clones of clones, but that idea in itself was irritating back in the 90s. I suppose it was better that we learn he survived now instead of later, where some readers’ facepalms would slap even harder. As it stands, the purpose of the scene is all that it shows. There’s no real excitement that the Jackal will plague Peter once again, at least none that I feel. All I hope for is an explanation for how he survived the very first time back in Maximum Cloneage…
Before getting into the good stuff, let’s address the scene with Kaine’s departure. While it wasn’t all that subtle, I sort of liked him wearing Ben’s blue hoodie (not strictly the same one, but same model) as both a nod of remembrance of his roots and a foreshadowing of things to come. There’s still issues with the character, like how exactly did his scars disappear and why is he so friendly all of a sudden. Seriously, why is he acting like Ben? Is this a personality change brought upon by his third or so death? The biggest problem with the scene came from Peter’s line when he said “Hey, that’s my Aunt, not yours. You had a tube, remember?” DID HE LEARN NOTHING FROM THE CLONE SAGA AND BEN REILLY?! What happened to all that regret he felt when he forbade Ben from being with Aunt May (actress) when she died? What happened to all that venegeance he felt after Kaine sacrificed himself for him in Grim Hunt? What happened to the whole “brothers” aspect that was present in the very last issue? He’s pulling “Mine, not yours” jokes now? That really grates me because it’s quite callous of Peter to say glibly, and right afterwards he asks why Kaine is leaving when they can patrol the streets together. If that one line was cut out, the scene would’ve been great. The way it is now makes Peter look like an inconsiderate jerk, and while that can be used to good effect in some cases it’s inexcusable in this case.
I digress. The following scenes were the parts of the book I felt sang and were done the best out of the entirety of Spider Island. 1) The scene with Robbie and Jonah was great. After this massive crisis, the two news guys comment on it together as the old friends they are. It had great characterization and was done short and sweet but well enough to feel longer than it actually was. 2) The scene with the construction worker Elio, while a bit awkward upon first reading, was nice as well. The reason it was a bit dissonating at first was that every issue had seemed to go for the relatability factor of Spider-Man and his relationship to the city, but this one felt as though it were needed and was pulled off nicely.
Rounding out 3) we get to the breakup with Carlie. This was my favorite scene in the issue, and again it’s not because I especially dislike the character. I do dislike the relationship, and a big factor to that was that Peter never gave two rats about Carlie in the first place. They got together basically because she bullied him into it, aside from science they have very little in common, and Peter never gives her any thought when he by himself. As was stated in the review for the last issue, after Carlie transformed, Peter forgot about her completely. He didn’t even call her or check up on her after the crisis was over, he spent time with Mary Jane and went to see Aunt May, and as Carlie points out he didn’t even stop to realize that she was leaving him at first, as though he really didn’t care. Now I don’t have a problem with Peter’s distant role in the relationship, and it’s similar to why I really like the character of Matt Murdock. As an example, Matt Murdock is an extremely flawed human being, and that has nothing to do with his life as a super hero. When it comes to relationships, Matt can barely keep his head on straight and goes straight for what he wants, at the cost of others. He went after Karen Page by pretending to be his fictitious twin brother and kissing her upon sight whilst still in a relationship with the Black Window, IN FRONT of the Black Widow. He blackmailed Heather Glenn into accepting his marriage proposal just so he could have stability in his life, and ignored her completely when she became an alcoholic who later committed suicide. He verbally and emotionally abused Glorianna O’Breen when he was going crazy (Although in fairness…he was going crazy) and he cheated on his blind, comatose wife after reconciling their differences through the threat of divorce. Matt Murdock in simple terms is a straight up bastard, but I love that about him because it’s human and believable. It’s the same reason I love James Bond, who has an utter contempt and hatred of women. These inherent flaws sculpt the three dimensional spectrum which make these characters come to life and feel worthwhile. Not every hero is completely a good person even if they try to, just like we’re all not 100% good as hard as we may try. For this reason, I felt it was a novel idea to have Spider-Man be in a relationship for a little while, then have the woman find out his identity (which admittedly should be far from impossible) and promptly dump him. When I first read it, I wished Carlie had vented more about Peter lying to her. Re-reading it, you get the sense that she mulled certain things over and just said what she felt needed to be said before she slammed the door in his face. In talking it over with friends, some think that Peter and Carlie will be back together eventually as Marvel really likes the two of them together. I don’t see that as possible in any believable reality. Carlie and her whole relationship with Spider-Man was a means to an end, and the end was to have this scene showing how lousy Spider-Man’s personal life can be. It’s simple and cheap, but it does work for me because it is so simple. Plus, although he and Mary Jane may not get together for a long while she does outweigh Carlie by quite a lot even though the two now have two things in common. The difference is that Mary Jane is Mary Jane. She’s a Stan Lee/John Romita classic who will never die. Carlie Cooper is three years old compared to Mary Jane’s 45. The former is fleeting while the latter will forever have resonance with Spider-Man and readers alike. Plus, any dope who’s anatomically correct can copulate. Spider-Island has shown us how intimately connected Peter and MJ will always be whether MJ has powers or Peter’s in a relationship. The character and her bond towards Spider-Man is that strong. It’s the strength of that character which fades Carlie out completely, even if she won’t necessarily be leaving the supporting cast. In any case, the scene was great and I applaud Slott for reaching the logical conclusion to the Peter/Carlie relationship finally.
However, the last problem I had with this issue was the biggest and farthest reaching.
So the big reason why the psychic blind spot is now gone is because Peter was shown on camera to have Spider Powers. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the case of the blind spot that he had to specifically reveal himself to be Spider-Man? All other clues would lead to misdirection. Peter never said “I am Spider-Man”, he revealed his powers in a context where it wasn’t abnormal. Basically, all those times where people would have clues that he’s Spider-Man only to not come to the conclusion due to the blind spot was thrown out of the window for just that reason. Peter said “I found out that I’ve got spider powers too!”, with “I’ve got” being the adjective clause which precipitates the concept that this isn’t stringent to any other occurrences beyond the then-present at that specific time. It’s seriously picking and choosing what works and what doesn’t in violation of the set rules. I suppose I shouldn’t complain now that the psychic blind spot is now gone, but that was an unbelievable reasoning for it. The whole idea was stupid to begin with.
Lastly, again like Erik I was taken in for the idea that Peter was ready to give up his powers. I was reading to set the comic on fire, but Slott suckered me good and I was very happy with the renouncing of his Spider-Powers as anything worth giving away. That felt more like Peter than the scene with him giving up the fight for no reason did in the last issue. With that, and Mary Jane’s blase’ “Sorry.” at the knowledge that Peter and Carlie are no more, the issue ends on a nice note with the Empire State Building lit up. (One quick question, what reason is there for the ESB to be referred to by Peter and MJ as their place?)
So overall, despite several bumps in the road this issue delivered. It ends Spider Island on a high note, and keeps me interested in what’s to come for the future of ASM.
4/5 webs
@#18 you brought up a good point. Kaine IS still Peter Parker at his core…..I hope the new SS series deals with that subject, and possibly how he, as a character, tries to redeem himself.
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He told him he doesn’t know how life works at all because of his opinion on a comic book
Edit – lol. Verbal berating. I meant to say something that wasn’t so redundant.
I’ve got mixed feelings about the break-up. On the one hand I’m glad it’s over and done with so Pete can hopefully move onto a relationship that he enjoys being in for awhile (even if that relationship turns out to be with Carlie again after some time apart). On the other hand I don’t really care for the break-up scene itself. Pete once again can’t summon up the will to defend himself from Carlie’s verbal berating. I hate that. It isn’t like he was cheating on her and she found out. He’s out there, ya know, saving people’s lives. And maybe he might possibly have a reason for not blurting out that he’s Spider-Man to someone he’s been with for what? A month? Two months at max? She does have cause to feel angry and betrayed to some extent, but she takes it way over the edge, just like back in the Mysterioso arc where she accused Peter of using all of his friends. I actually hope they have a conversation pretty soon to straighten that crap out.
Aside from that a decent issue. Casselli is an absolute monster. I’m still not totally sold on his out-of-costume Pete yet, but the rest is gold.
@butters No.
#17
Thats kinda an overreaction to someones opinion on a comic book dont you think?
My last and slightly lengthy response to this seems to have been blocked 🙁
Hopefully someone will unblock it for me, guess I should have logged in.
Anyway I loved it. My other thought was on the “Psychic block”.
@15 Wheatcakes – It isn’t that the “Psychic block” is no longer “effective”. It’s just weakened to the point that people using normal deduction can figure it out, but nobody remembers from the civil war reveal. Don’t analyse it too much, it really is not the kind of story element that matters if it makes sense because it is fixing a bad idea and the fix that was even more terrible and worse then continued to hang over the title.
What was done was to essentially reset this to before the original reveal in Civil War. I like this it was obvious they had to undo everyone knowing Peter was Spidey. And there was no easy story way to do that without it being silly. And the way they did it had the terrible after effect of having to refer to this dumb idea whenever there was a question of someone learning Pete’s identity. It did not make any sense then or now. Even worse for readers that missed all that nonsense.
So now we have no psychic block and nobody knowing Pete’s identity! YAY!
Now let’s NEVER talk about that horrible storyline ever again!
I’ve not been much of a spiderman reader lately, (BND Killed it for me) but did anyone else notice Kaine with the “Other” abilities? Maybe that’s how he’s not dead? He died and was reborn? Like Pete was in the other? And if that’s true, shouldn’t the actual ben reily be able to return from the dead too?
On the Kaine personality thing, I’m guessing this will be cleared up in the Scarlet Spider series, but I’ve assumed that his mind is less clouded from being in constant pain from the degeneration and over amplification of his powers.
He’s still Peter Parker at the core, with some bad experiences from having is mind twisted.
scott davis….you obviously are clueless to how great the spider-marraige is and if you seriously think Peter is incapable of being with MJ…you don’t know how life works at all.
Probably not. I’m just thankful for the effort of removing the bloody thing. The blind spot has been one of the worst addition to any comic since…god knows what. It was essentially a ‘Free-card’ for writers to be as off hands with the identity as they wished. As a way of removing it, it was simple and well done, considering what was removed. Dan Slott should get the credit for simply removing the worst plot device ever.
…so, if the psychic blind spot is no longer effective, does that mean all the thousands of news articles announcing his unmasking are now visible for people to read now? Actually, was it ever explained whatever happened to all that material? I mean, the unmasking still happened and I get how the world was made to forget, but what about all the media coverage? Sigh.
@Scott Davis – *in Ledger Joker voice* Not sure if serious…
Lame, that was the most lame Spidey story I’ve read in years. I ‘ve been a faithful fan since 197? my dad told me the first thing I ever read was a spider book. Don’t, whatever else you do, make Pete and MJ an item again. It was lame they got married in the first place and even more so if they get back together. Pete is supposed to be a relatively young guy and MJ is a really hot model type. You mean to tell me in the entire city of New York they can’t find someone else? Please. I was irate when I saw the crack she made to Pete about the DVR too. Get over it already, when they were married that technology didn’t exist. However, I was glad Pete’s usual line of hogwash didn’t work on Carlie. She’s much too bright and capable to let that one slip by her. Unlike a certain raven haired dingbat from your Distinguished Competetion who took years to find out who her beau was secretly. Isn’t it about time you people finally got over that whole “clone saga” thing already? It was bad enough you ruined one of my favorite yarns (ASM 146-150) but it seems to never stop. Get a clue and write new stories with new villans and leave most of the older stuff where it belongs: the past. Thanks for reading and I’ll be sure to do the same.
I think the reason Kaine was the way he was is because he had that degeneration thing killing him
Hes cured now. he prolly feels much better and friendlier
That makes sense I think
Great review, especially the Matt Murdock breakdown
I wasn’t particularly moved by the empire state building. I mean I get that it was lit up red and blue, but isn’t it lit up red, white and blue on other occassions. I thought there’d at least be a spider logo or something to make it more obvious that they were thanking him. Nice thought though.
I think Caselli’s way of drawing the costume is fantastic as well. And also, I think a really interesting thing they could have done is have Carlie-Spider encounter Peter and having Pete being able to tell it was Carlie by the tattoo still being on her body. But I guess it was just easier for him to forget about her… And Carlie was super hot in the beginning of this issue.
Bond is doing it for Queen and country :0). Great review… loved the character deconstruction of Matt Murdock. He’s a bastard to be sure, but he’s our bastard, and let’s not forget it. I agree with the review, this issue was the best of the story arc, and I also agree about the annoyance of Kaine. I for one won’t be investing in the Scarlet Spider saga.
Just a minor quibble: I don’t think James Bond hates women. He doesn’t care about them…he uses them…but that isn’t hatred.
What many of the Bond movies had trouble capturing is how sociopathic Bond can be. He kills without thinking. He kills without remorse. He causes death all around him and it doesn’t faze him. He doesn’t enjoy it, either…for the most part. He just does it.
Kaine is SERIOUSLY starting to bug me. I hate that Marvel is trying to pull one over on Reilly fans, Kaine is no more interchangeable with Ben than Ben is with Peter. Loved the issue overall though.
And though I haven’t gone to my back issues to see what exactly went down at the ESB, from these last two issues referring to it as Pete and MJ’s “special place” in addition to MJ calling Pete an “idiot” when mentioning that, I got the feeling that ESB is where they first -ahem- “shared a toothbrush”.
Donovan, you and Erik get too hung up on the “Just roll with it” bit. It’s a comic book. I don’t need it to make sense all the time. Slott is just having a little fun with that concept. Not everything is SRS BSNS and logical.
And like I said to Erik, how many times has Dr. Doom been a Doombot all along? I dare you to tell anyone that that makes his character worthless.
The ESB played a big part in Matt Fraction/Salvador Larocca’s Sensational Annual, if I recall. And I’m pretty sure it came up twice in JMS’s run on Amazing, don’t quote me on that. ESB is to MJ, what Brooklyn Bridge is to Gwen to me, Peter will always associate those two landmarks with those two girls.
And nicely done review, I think Black Cat is going to come into play for the love life thing soon.
don, I felt alnost the exact same way. ill be on skype tonight to discuss this issue if anyone is interested.
I agree with you, Don, about Peter and Carlie not getting back together–or rather hoping they don’t. Because you’re right: from the start of Peter and Carlie becoming an official couple, it was clear Peter was on the rebound and had been pressured into one. Likewise, it was becoming more and more apparent that his trying to keep his identity secret from Carlie was precisely the thing which doomed their relationship from the start. These things, as well as the fact Peter forgot all about Carlie while he was snuggling up with MJ (which this issue reminds us) underscored the idea that, while Peter likes Carlie, he’s not actually in love with her and Carlie (rightfully) called him on the carpet for it. Sure, she’s going to stick around, eventually forgive Peter and, now that she knows, cement her status as Peter’s police informant, but in terms of them rekindling a relationship? Fat chance if Carlie, as this issue suggest, has any sense of self-respect whatsoever.
Good rundown on the sins of Murdock
Great review! I totally agree with you on most point. As for the ESB being their special place, i believe it’s because peter brough her at the top of it when they married or started dating.