Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott recently told a poster at the Comic Book Resources Spider-Man forum to go F-themselves. A poster by the name of lejayjay had a snarky comment about Slott saying
It is jus a paycheck for Slott anyway. He’s not a real fan.
Slott then replied with this comment.
As a guy who turned down a side job this year for a paycheck that would’ve been over a third of his yearly income– BECAUSE it would’ve meant cutting back on his not-so-lucrative comic book writing career– and get in the way of working on his Spider-Man dream job…
…and the guy who slept less than 12 hours over the course of 4 days this week working on a script while he was sick… a guy who finally had to be ORDERED off it by his editor to go see a doctor… and is still in a good deal of pain today…
…this is the first time I think I’ve ever said this to somebody over a comic book message board:
Go fuck yourself.
Seriously.
Go. Fuck. Yourself.
Now I post this not to bring up the Slott/ Crawlspace disagreement again, but it opens a good point of discussion.
Should the pro’s be held to a different standard when it comes to online behavior?
Should they bite their tongues?
Are they risking future sales to an already small audience, when they tell a potential or current customer to go f-themselves?
I’d like your thoughts in the comment section or on this thread on our message board. Remember no personal attacks, keep it civil. Refresh yourselves on the rules before you post.
CBR has since deleted the post however Google was able to take a cache of it before it was deleted. Here’s the link.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I know you’ve had your problems with Kevin and George. However, coming onto this website (THEIR WEBSITE) and cheering on them “getting put in their place” is really poor form of you. Especially since you are banned. Doing stuff like this is disrespectful to Brad. When you insult one of Brad’s staff members, you are insulting and disrespecting Brad by default. Don’t do this again.
Skin Deep, Part Four.
There’s this long reply I can’t post here, apparently.
Part 3 of “Skin Deep” featuring Charlie Weiderman aka Molten Man Mk II…
And George to? I love this guy!
STEPHEN!!! YOU ROCK!!! Thank you for putting Kevin in his place! HELLZ YEAH!
@503
Andrew – Yeah Penny Arcade got it just right LOL!
@512: Don’t let herbiepopnecker order you around, cbasfrench! If you don’t want respectful dialogue on these boards, then by golly, you should drop the f-bomb on him. (To paraphrase classic Bill Cosby: “What the foul filth! I’ll foul filth and foul filth foul his filth!”)
513: was this the Gwen-Norman bombshell issue?
I see it now. Sorry about that. Obviously meant to say “disrespectful” and not “respectful”. Really changes the meaning doesn’t it! 🙂
@ #510:
Ooops that should be
(hangs head in shame)
(can’t suppress the giggles)
@ #509
@507: Why are you being so mean to cbasfrench? Why are you hating him so much?
(sorry, I forget which font is used for sarcasm/tongue-in-cheek)
Are we at Sins Past now?
@ #505:
I think you MEANT to type “The one thing that has always bothered me…is how being DISRESPECTFUL
…has become the norm.”
Take another look at what you DID type….!
I come on the next morning and there’s almost another 200 posts added. This is crazy!
Honestly I was hoping this wasn’t Wacker and just some other person trolling around. Its sad to see that this is the real guy.
@ herbiepopnecker, thanks for sticking up for us Canadians 🙂
Sorry herbie, but I don’t get it…
@ #502:
“The one thing that has always bothered me about message board is how being respectful to one another has become the norm when posters cannot agree on something. There’s no need for that, IMO.”
Being respectful to one another?!?! By geo. y. wells, that’s gotta stop!!
@499
Sano, I completely agree. The people who love to sling insults on the net are usually the meek, socially awkward types who were the victims of bullying and are looking for some outlet to express their pent-up emotions. The anonymity and freedom from consequences means they can say whatever they want to whoever they want when they wouldn’t dream of doing so in their real lives.
Penny Arcade once did a great strip about this phenomenon (fair warning there’s some course language): http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/
Wow, the number of the posts on this thread is insane!
I can understand Slott’s frustration in responding to the comments made about him; however, I think it would have been better if he hadn’t said anything at all.
I have been fortunate enough to meet Slott at the 2009 NYCC and I had a brief but nice conversation with him about his work on Amazing Spider-Man (and, at the time, upcoming work on Mighty AVengers). I can truly say he is a HUGE fan of Spider-Man and he works really hard to come up with stories that will please everyone. He deserves more credit than people actually give him. I can see why Stephen would (sort of) try to defend Slott and even spend time on this website to have discussions with people on here. The one thing that has always bothered me about message board is how being respectful to one another has become the norm when posters cannot agree on something. There’s no need for that, IMO. Anyways, let’s see if we can make it to a 1000 posts!
501-saturday in the park with May! Has anyone heard the song”F.U.” by the new Captain Stacy, Denis Leary? As you can imagine, there are lots of curse words!
@490: “This is strangely awesome. And awesomely strange.”
But is it Stephen Strange?
500 – Strange’s trip through time
Say what you want about Slott’s stories but to not call him a Spider-Man fan I mean you SERIOUSLY have to be kidding me.
People on the internet can be as mean as they want to because no one knows who they are and they hide behind the anominity of a computer screen. It surprises me when they get the same exact treatment by people who can’t hide their identities that they are suddenly surprised.
Good for you Slott. Sing along now. “FU and a… FU TOO!” 😛
I’m far more offended by comment #421 than by anything Dan Slott said.
We’re getting closer to the renumbering.
I’m happier by the moment that I chose to dump all marvel titles.
Wacker’s obfuscation didn’t do much for his reputation; he had
MANY chances to say, “oooh-KAY, maybe Slott could’ve handled
this better” or some other straight-up answer. But no….
HOWEVER, I must remember that I DID enjoy marvel characters up to a
point, I can always go back and read from my long boxes and high piles
and forget allll about the current horrid direction the house of (used to have) ideas
is headed these days (downward…ever downward).
marvel bad. marvel characters I GREW UP WITH good. marvel characters lately not so good and rather bad.
(Purists please note, I simply refuse to capitalize the m – ‘kay?!)
ASM 495 – final showdown vs. Digger
BD in 465 said “…I think they’re just pissed you aren’t saying more harsh things about Slott’s quote.”
I don’t think it even needs to be harsh things… just an acknowledgement that this probably wasn’t the most appropriate way for Mr. Slott to express his frustration would have been sufficient for (at least) me.
Mr. Slott is clearly someone who is passionate about his work and (after having made sacrifices of both his health and the possibility of more financially rewarding opportunities in order to pursue his vision for Spider-Man) was personally attacked for not caring about the title. Of course he felt offended.
That’s not a question.
Likewise, (almost) everyone seems to agree that the manner of the response was inappropriate for a public forum. An acknowledgement to that effect from either Mr. Slott or Mr. Wacker would have done wonders for resolving this – but then we wouldn’t be closing in on 500 responses.
Unfortunately for many long-time fans the underlying issue here is really that we are feeling increasingly distanced from the current direction of Spider-Man – and this type of interaction feeds into that.
Understandably, given how much criticism there has been with respect to recent story lines, Mr. Wacker clearly came into the conversation expecting to be demonized, that no matter what he said he would be criticized – and so avoided really saying anything about the actual issue.
This is interpreted by many of us as still more evidence that Marvel does not care about us or our concerns.
It is one thing to be convinced about your artistic vision, and to disregard criticism of it because you believe in what you are creating – but whether or not Mr. Slott’s post was appropriate or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not we enjoy the current stories. This very much comes down to whether there is any measure of respect left between the corporation and those of us who purchase their product.
Personally I find it incredibly sad that they could not take this one opportunity to say “Yes we do hear you. Yes we do understand you are upset/concerned/curious about this, and yes we do acknowledge we could have done better.”
http://www.superheroeen.com/2007/05/slott-note-to-online-comic-reviewers.html
Does Dan have form? Yes Dan does.
@492
I’m pretty sure the roots of the financial crash, war in the Middle East, global-warming and Justin Bieber’s popularity can all be tied back to the Mackie/Byrne relaunch. 😐
Stephen Wacker wrote, “I did stop reading during that run, but it was mostly because Macchio told me to go F myself. And as a fan…I did what i was told.”
I think continuing to plunk down your hard earned money for that garbage would’ve been more in keeping with Macchio’s suggestion!
Hmm…
ASM 491 MJ and Peter reunite! Dr. Doom speak in all CAPS! Captain America!
This is strangely awesome. And awesomely strange.
What should Slott have done?? Seriously.
Newboyz, that’s why in the original post I told folks to review the rules of the front page and the board. They are one and the same.
Sorry I didn’t know you could get a warning For posting excessively I don’t post on the message boards so I am not fully aware of your rules
Why would I lock out the most popular thread in the 12 year history of the board? This one will live on for a long time.
Whoa this page has grown exponentially BD I think this is a thread you may have to lock out but it’s been one hellish ride
And NewBoyz gets a warning for 15 times posting. Dont do it kids. Its not cool.
Holy crap, this was only in the late 200’s when i left to go to work, I didn’t think it would already by in stryzynsky run when I got back. But um ya, I can never remember which issue which for this run so I honestly don’t no whats happening in this particular issue, its gotta be close to the shathra arc though. And oh ya bring back Ben Rielly!!!
Holy crap I post a response to one and there’s already 20 new posts… This thread is on fire!
And you know how much us symbiotes hate fire…
It’s true. He does.
(Just kidding Bertone!)
At this rate, are we going to need to start making up issues of Spider-Man after we past the most current issues with our posts??
I tell you one thing…Mr. Wacker’s not doing much for HIS cause, but I feel that this is a real bonding experience for us CrawlSpacers!
Let’s all head to the Tiki Bar…First rounds on me!
@479
When I think of the reboot, I don’t consider Paul Jenkins’ run. Jenkins’ issues were a sparkling oasis among a wasteland of crap. In fact, I liked his work back then better than I do now. Even Mackie’s run got a bit better once Byrne was forced out and he only had to write one series (as opposed to writing two before Jenkins came onboard). I think Jenkins also inspired him to try a bit better.
I know the reboot is dreadfully unpopular around these parts, but that’s how I got back into comics when I was in high school, so I have a secret fond place in my heart for those books. I thought it was cool how Slott referenced the refrigerator cheese named Kevin from that era in the first issue of Big Time.
@ George Berryman –
Well, unless Mountain Dew, Mail Order Comics, and Sam’s Warehouse count!
Bertone – Brad says that to many of us on a weekly basis.
Fortunately he’s not trying to get us to buy a product he’s selling. That’d be unprofessional.
I swear when i started writing that last comment (473) we were still around 460 – can’t keep up with the pace of this thread.
Oh…please!
Don’t make me laugh when my lips are chapped!
From “you don’t control me/I know where my line is/your mom wears
army boots and I have the pictures”
to
“Oh dear, I’m being told to leave – fare thee well”??
Yeh…right!!
Now CBR can do an article saying “Brad Douglas tells fan to F himself”
Don’t you all see what Wacker’s evil plan is here – he is keeping these comments going until we reach 546 – and then he will tell us the previous 240 comments still happened but we just have to read them a little differently.
Also I think we are in the voume 2 Mackie run at this point – not sure what number – don’t think I had come back to reading the book again yet after Clone Saga.
Bertone
Go F-Yourself for not giving me multiple questions for Spider-Jeopardy two years ago. LOL
I beat Wacker to it. I know he so wanted to say it to many of us. Ha.Ha.
Hey look it’s the JMS era
@Andrew
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