Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott recently told a poster at the Comic Book Resources Spider-Man forum to go F-themselves. A poster by the name of lejayjay had a snarky comment about Slott saying
It is jus a paycheck for Slott anyway. He’s not a real fan.
Slott then replied with this comment.
As a guy who turned down a side job this year for a paycheck that would’ve been over a third of his yearly income– BECAUSE it would’ve meant cutting back on his not-so-lucrative comic book writing career– and get in the way of working on his Spider-Man dream job…
…and the guy who slept less than 12 hours over the course of 4 days this week working on a script while he was sick… a guy who finally had to be ORDERED off it by his editor to go see a doctor… and is still in a good deal of pain today…
…this is the first time I think I’ve ever said this to somebody over a comic book message board:
Go fuck yourself.
Seriously.
Go. Fuck. Yourself.
Now I post this not to bring up the Slott/ Crawlspace disagreement again, but it opens a good point of discussion.
Should the pro’s be held to a different standard when it comes to online behavior?
Should they bite their tongues?
Are they risking future sales to an already small audience, when they tell a potential or current customer to go f-themselves?
I’d like your thoughts in the comment section or on this thread on our message board. Remember no personal attacks, keep it civil. Refresh yourselves on the rules before you post.
CBR has since deleted the post however Google was able to take a cache of it before it was deleted. Here’s the link.
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I’ve had interactions with Slott and Wacker online where this very thing about being professional was brought up to them on CBR. Frankly, their behavior on those forums and how they reply to people on the forums has turned me off from Spider-Man more than the writing and story direction has. At one point I was told because I was using a screen name how valid could my opinion be since I was just some unknown guy online making comments. SO, in the following post, I revealed my real name to them and asked him if my opinion was now valid since I was using my real name when giving them.
In general, the guys are just unprofessional when interacting with fans who don’t agree with them and probably would do better to avoid fan-based web forums all together if they’re going to have their feelings hurt so easily.
Finally, someone broke that “666 comments.” That was just unseemly.
Damn Wacker you just got schooled
And finally, nobody is posting at this topic….
Oh, wait…..oh, dang it!!!!!
Oh, okay. You win.
“From the way you are refusing to accept an apology, this is clearly the worst thing that has ever happened to you, George. I’m sorry to hear that. in reality it’s just another guy mouthing off on a message board. Dan reacts the way you suggest all the time, but your site doesn’t do 3+ blog posts about it, so you may have missed it.”
I don’t feel like anyone needs to apologize to me for anything, Stephen, so I don’t know whose apology I’m apparently not accepting. I wasn’t the guy who got told to eff off. I’m glad he was apologized to at least but that doesn’t have anything to do with me.
“I do love the attempt to bringing DeFalco into this though. You remind me of the guy Woody Allen embarrasses in the Marshall McLuhan scene in Annie Hall. Go tell Tom he just works for money and doesn’t really care about what he writes and see how he reacts.”
Again – I haven’t seen anyone here say the poster who said that about Slott was in the right. He wasn’t. What he said was rude. Yet if someone had said that to Tom D. I doubt that, as mad as he might honestly have been, he wouldn’t have said “Hey go eff yourself.” Because he acts like a pro. Doesn’t even have to be Tom D., either. I could’ve thrown out more names there but he actually faced something similar to this recently and came out looking *a lot* better than Dan did because of the way he addressed it.
“Remember just because a pitchfork carrying mob has a lot of members…doesn’t make them right.”
Didn’t a mob go after Freddy Krueger, too… ? I’m not trying to make the same backhanded analogy that you are – just pointing out that sometimes a mob can apparently be right.
“Again, Dan has shown a class and dignity in apologizing for what he did that you seem unable to meet…at least here– where you have to maintain appearances as the local “tough guy”. I’m sure you’re swell in the real world.”
Pardon me if I don’t take a shot at my “class and dignity” from a guy who has thrown out ‘pearl clutchers’ here like a broken record and who’s tossed around insults like a poo-flinging spider-monkey.
From the way you are refusing to accept an apology, this is clearly the worst thing that has ever happened to you, George. I’m sorry to hear that. in reality it’s just another guy mouthing off on a message board. Dan reacts the way you suggest all the time, but your site doesn’t do 3+ blog posts about it, so you may have missed it.
I do love the attempt to bringing DeFalco into this though. You remind me of the guy Woody Allen embarrasses in the Marshall McLuhan scene in Annie Hall. Go tell Tom he just works for money and doesn’t really care about what he writes and see how he reacts.
Remember just because a pitchfork carrying mob has a lot of members…doesn’t make them right.
Again, Dan has shown a class and dignity in apologizing for what he did that you seem unable to meet…at least here– where you have to maintain appearances as the local “tough guy”. I’m sure you’re swell in the real world.
“And again George, all your other suppositions and innuendo aside, Dan made a mistake and apologized.”
It’s like Mephisto made it never-happen. Weee!
But seriously, the next time Dan feels like telling someone to “eff himself,” do us a favor. Tell him to take a deep breath, have him count to ten, and then get him to call Tom DeFalco who can explain to him how a professional should respond to a disgruntled yet potentially paying customer. Believe me on this, Dan would’ve gotten a lot more support (even from me) if he’d said “Well hey, sorry you don’t like it and maybe down the line there’ll be something you’ll dig more” instead of “Hey go eff yourself.”
“You on the other hand have worked hard to get a bunch of people to back up your crusade for a big pile on…like any good bully does.”
I haven’t worked hard on anything surrounding this (I mostly just typed) and it’s not “my crusade.” If there wasn’t a me people would still be unhappy with the Brandnewverse. We just give them a place to talk honestly and openly about it – something they’re not allowed to do on Marvel.com’s own Spidey boards.
But who has been the bully here, Wacker? The guy throwing out insults and mocking folks?
Or the one who hasn’t been?
Mr. Wacker:
Don’t worry about me – a real person who used to
be a very very loyal marvel fan.
Worry about representing marvel in a professional way.
Herbie, sorry you don’t like the way I am, but you are fictional to me. Certainly I don’t have to follow rules that you yourself won’t even stand behind.
And again George, all your other suppositions and innuendo aside, Dan made a mistake and apologized. You on the other hand have worked hard to get a bunch of people to back up your crusade for a big pile on…like any good bully does. What if you used your powers for good? Just think of what you could accomplish.
SW
@ #657:
And your responses haven’t been annoying and childish?
AS AN EDITOR OF marvel COMICS?
Can I ask that you try acting as the professional your’re
supposed to be?
Okay let’s be clear Stephen. I wasn’t insulted by anything you said here. But you *were* trying to be insulting. I’ve been civil. I haven’t been tossing insults your way.
What abrasive behavior can I not accept? Dan telling a Marvel fan to “go eff himself”… hey it’s not any sweat off my back. And no one here has said the guy who got into it with Dan was in the right in the first place. But when people, including myself, point to Dan’s behavior and label it unprofessional, well… they’re correct. It was unprofessional.
I guess you didn’t like the picture since it disproved your argument that Dan Slott in no way represents Marvel? He *does* represent Marvel, Stephen, and you know it. Every time he plugs Marvel stuff on any number of news sites, any time he shows up to sign autographs… he’s the writer of Amazing Spider-Man. You honestly thought you could get away with saying he *doesn’t* represent the company? Seriously?
Keep calling us pearl clutchers, Stephen, or anything other insult or name you can think of. We aren’t the ones name calling or insulting here – no that would be the “pro” representing Marvel. And it isn’t saying much for the ground your arguments are standing on.
Your double standard is simply being unable to accept people behaving in the abrasive manner you behave in. You feign insult at a pretty regular intervals. Almost the like the Ol’ Faithful of pearl clutching.
Posting jpegs as responses is just annoying and childish…which is behavior you seem to not want others to partake.
I understand you and your club don’t see this. …but I’ve never been much of a joiner.
Now we’re beyond the solicitations for ASM.
And with the beginning of Big Time, I find out there is justice in this world. 🙂
Okay I’ll bite.
How exactly am I in error here, Stephen?
What’s my “double standard?”
What was wrong with the picture I linked to? Was it doctored somehow? Was it somehow untrue? If so, how?
And lastly, what precisely have I done that I need to apologize for?
Do us all a favor and, for once, be specific with your reply.
Why is George in error? And wat makes him lack courage to admit it? That’s subjective.
@647
George since you are still harping on dan’s “f you” comment after it’s been resolved, let me say this.
Ultimately The difference between you and Dan Slott is that Dan apologized.
Neither of you are above being in error, but one of you has class and courage enough to admit it.
SW
Brad
I admire the high threshold you have for insults aimed at me. Mine’s pretty high as well.
Can I just post a jpeg of him in response then? I presume that would be okay? Or is that just a George thing?
(also I’m giving out a “Wacker Warning” to Kevin and George for their double standards!!! Two more and you aren’t allowed to wear shirts for a week! This is VERY serious. People here will tell me if you’re wearing a shirt.)
Truth is, as evidenced here and in other threads, you’re under a lot of pressure to make sure I don’t respond to nonsense here anymore. I think you should follow your clientele’s wishes and kick me out of here outright.
SW
Can I just post a jpeg of him in response then? I presume that would be okay? Or is that just a George thing?
(also I’m giving out a “Wacker Warning” to Kevin and George for their double standards!!! Two more and you aren’t allowed to wear shirts for a week! This is VERY serious. People here will tell me if you’re wearing a shirt.)
SW
Stopped reading at 640. Cushing vs. Wacker was a good debate. Slott: anger management and Niqill.
and with this we are at the current issue number of ASM
Steve,
Here’s your first warning. The insults of George are done. Also your insult of Kevin about how he is nice when he wants something was a very cheap shot and you were talking down to him like a child.
“Given Mr. berryman’s posting habits, it’s pretty clear why people here feel they can get way with as much as they do.”
That’s rich coming from someone who’ve we let get away with *a lot* of asinine behavior in the last few days.
“I’m disappointed that folks like himself can give comic fans a bad name.”
It’s not like I’m a Marvel writer telling folks to go f-ck themselves.
Looking forward to you swerving around that with another thinly veiled insult.
Given Mr. berryman’s posting habits, it’s pretty clear why people here feel they can get way with as much as they do.
I’m disappointed that folks like himself can give comic fans a bad name.
Sw
But…have we reached as many posts as there are issues of ASM?
Can we play this game with PPTSS or something at the other long thread?
The Origin of the Species. If I recall correctly, there were some good things said about this one on this very website, right?
“Sorry that reality is laughable. I feel your pain.”
Uh huh.
When you take everything as an insult, you will be insulted a lot.
Sorry that reality is laughable. I feel your pain.
SW
“George, this “Eff you” of Dan’s really seems to have struck you personally. Did something like this happen when you were a child? You really seem to be taking it to heart.”
Again – I’m not the one making insults here. That’s been you, again and again.
“It’s a good thing you never new the previous generation of creators. Many said much, much worse about and to fans.”
I’m sure writers, artists and editors have said worse about their customers in the past and that they do so often now and that they will often in the future. But doing so in public is unprofessional.
“Regardless, your post drives home, why Marvel doesn’t feel responsible for what freeelancers do on their off time. I know you’re desperately wanting your arbitrary guidelines to only apply to everyone else, but that and your Burt Reynolds fantasy will have to remain just that.”
It’s laughable when you claim that the writer of one of your flagship titles, who does interviews to promote Marvel comics and who appears at conventions signing for Marvel doesn’t represent the company in any way.
George, this “Eff you” of Dan’s really seems to have struck you personally. Did something like this happen when you were a child? You really seem to be taking it to heart. It’s a good thing you never new the previous generation of creators. Many said much, much worse about and to fans.
Regardless, your post drives home, why Marvel doesn’t feel responsible for what freeelancers do on their off time. I know you’re desperately wanting your arbitrary guidelines to only apply to everyone else, but that and your Burt Reynolds fantasy will have to remain just that.
SW
Oh, no. We’re now in OMIT.
We don’t moderate what our forum members say at other sites, Steve. If Slott, for example, still had an active account here we wouldn’t warn/ban him for saying “Go f-ck yourself” to someone at CBR.
We’ve got over eleven-hundred members here. Only the Admins/Mods represent the site. It’s not like the other eleven-hundred members are writing our flagship comic title.
Here’s a quick rundown for you.
1.) We’ve been accused of letting someone say “Dan Slott should die in a fire” at our site. Turns out that wasn’t at all true.
2.) We’ve been accused of editing Slott’s wiki page. Again – not true, and the culprit admitted to it in the comments of Brad’s recently posts editorial.
We’re not the ones calling names when we disagree with people or throwing out “Eff yous.” We leave that for the “pros” at Marvel.
“No one told Dan Slott to die in a fire on Crawl Space. ”
I love that qualifier.
SW
@628 to Chris Kuehl
No one told Dan Slott to die in a fire on Crawl Space. It did not happen.
As for the issue that started this off, well, I’m reminded of a time a few years ago when Peter David put out a statement on his website. I forget the exact details but I think he was putting tighter controls on the posters; the main issue being that one of these “contributors” had made vile and crass sexual statements about his wife, which I think many of us would agree is far, FAR, worse than the statement made against Dan, and fewer people would’ve blamed him if he had told whomever it was to go fuck themselves, but his statement was very composed and dignified, with no profanities (although there was no doubtfrom reading it that PAD was rightly PISSED), so, yeah, I think by comparison Dan overreacted there, or at least, maybe he shouldn’t have dignified that guy with a response. But, well… stones and glass houses…
Re: #634: Mr Wacker, I wasn’t commenting on how I percieve the quality of the story (how can I when I haven’t read it myself?), but I know what happened because I keep up on the reviews. To clarify, what I meant was that the shit hits the fan after that issue, when the Lizard draws out the “lizard-brain” in the New Yorkers. Whilst I’m not going to pretend that’s a story I’d necessarily rush out and buy, I’m not slamming it, or indeed you, or Zeb Wells, who wrote it, or Dan Slott (whose past work on She-hulk still entertains me immensely), or anyone else in the former Brain Trust.
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/12/dan-slott-responds-to-message-board-insult-with-well-deserved-f-bomb/
Shed part 4
Trying again.
Pete, you next.
Part 2 of “Shed”, in which the Lizard consumes Curt Connors’ own son under the influence of the Kravinoffs. And it plummets downhill from there…
@ #629
Let’s not.
Let’s start a palindromic thread and start reposting everything in reverse order.
I don’t like that a comic-book fan told Dan Slott and other Marvel employees to die in a fire, but I don’t really trust the writer of The Amazing Spider-Man: Brand New Day series either, because him along with Quesada ruined Mary Jane Watson and Peter Parkers’ moral backgrounds in “One More Day” that caused the new alternate Marvel Spidey Universe. Slott’s remarks towards the fan shows that he was standing up for himself, but maybe he was too harsh towards the fan. I do agree that the fan needs to be banned from this website besides. I only read X-MEN: Curse of the Mutants where Spidey will join the team in the hopefully near future, Spider-Man: Marvel Adventures, and “Carnage” limited-series parts 1-5 now.
Dang it, we were so close to getting to #650 comments.
I used to trust Mr. Slott. Now I am very very confused
Flying Tiger,
You can’t say someone is a pussy or acting like a pussy. That is a personal attack. This is your 2nd warning.
Slott- want to clarify what you said on your formspring account- I never said you were faking an illness man. I’m saying you’re acting like a p_ssy over it given it’s left you able to continue to yammer all over the net. You mentioned it to play the sympathy card, which is WEAK. If you want to have a virtual reality brawl with lejayjay or whoever just do it, don’t do the “fat kid gets a note from mom” schtick.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Also mods- I am responding to Mr. Slott, explaining the past post, not going on a new tangent of complaint. It’s just the Mr. Slott seems to have a bit of an issue with attributing quotes to us with a kind of interpretative approach rather than a cut and paste approach.
Anyway that’s it, someone else can run this to 651. 🙂
No proof. Slott: you don’t need proof when you’re being a drama queen, you can just make unsupported statements and the Compliant Bully Report will repeat it uncritically.