Marvel Press Release: One Moment in Time Changes Everything

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1. The move to kill Gwen Stacy was met with howls of rage rather than praise for a well written classic. You’re using present day perceptions. Who knows how BND/OMD will be seen in twenty or thirty years?! Unless you think you can ‘explain magic’, neither do you! Also, many fans now accept and like the fact that Norman was resurrected at the end of the Clone Saga! I’m not one of them, but the book continued to lose readers! That’s why they did the ill fated Mackie/Byrne renumbering/relaunch! I can’t understand why the readers continued to stay away considering they destroyed the righteous symmetry of Amazing #122 to undo an infamously divisive storyline! I guess it serves anyone right who dares to have a sacred cow in comics!

2. @Spider-Plumber

   Wow quoting my words and using a deliberate smartass interpreatation, Now very original, are you?

   My earlier statement is exactly as it needs to be addressed. Im not apologetic for what i said. Im just sorry that it could be interpreted to call people like those who operate this website, General idiots. I know they are not because these guys do what they like, and they spend thier free time, without earning any cash or anything, while they
   contstruct things some people would get paid for otherwise. Aside from that my statement isnt aimed at everybody just everyone in a camp of complaining about something they dislike or hate while buying it.

   How many times am i going to have to repeat myself before you Get it?

   To clear this crap up that i said earlier, YES i was sayin to those who complain about ASM while continuing to buy it that they have this notion that Spider-Man will be married to MJ after the TRUE explainations, of One More Day, they are making an idiotic and pretenious idea. Its how I see it. And ive run across several websites and i havent been to the CrawlSpace very long, so YES i CAN consider it new. The amount of comments ive made here can even confirm that, of course i cant expect a guy like you Spider-Plumber who wants to act like a smartass, i cant expect you to look into things you should, an intelligent person would think to do so.

   I ran into several websites and some of them link me to the CrawlSpace. Coincidentally some of the places ive been to bring me here, based on whos written the essays and what not. Plus ive been on message boards and witnessed almost nothing but ProMarrage VS Anti-Marrage. Some people make good points, some people talk boycotts and how it SHOULD happen but how they dont want to seperate themeselves from a title theyve been collecting for a long time. In those conversations, it wasnt about them making a struggling decision: It was them talking about all the aspects of the Run they didnt like, and how they complain about losing $4 to 5 on a comic in their subscriptons when they could just drop it but they dont. And this kind of thing isnt isolated to ONE website affilated with comics.

   As for what i said “Is there anyone this stupid on any other website”

   Despite that i wanted to make question more retorical, You make it sound like its intended for just anyone to answer or to be insulted by. Its NOT for everyone obviously because youdve done some proper checking on the rest of my supporting paragraph.

   By the way

   “Your opinion matters just as much as your apologies do”

   With this statement, your not making yourself look any better. Now your just being, a downright douchebag and because of that, your starting to be hypocritical taking about respect. At least i apologized and admit i was being rude. I think youve lost your right to lecture anyone.

3. @ Alternaverse…

   Let me quote you…

   “No offense but to the people who keep buying AMazing Spider-Man, and want the marrage back….. YOUR ALL IDIOTS. EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU!!!
   My god, is there anyone really this stupid on any other website.”

   …so these are the first words you decide to spout on a website that is “new to you”…????
   Yeah, ok.
   Your opinion matters. About as much as your “apologies” do.

4. @Spider-Plumber

   Im not a memeber here or anything. This website is new to me, and based on all the complaining and bitching ive seen from the people who write about Quesada shit fest, it frustrates me a little and i HAVE apologized for being rude. I was actually looking for an email address so i could say im sorry for calling people idiots on this board because they do attempt to hold intelligent conversations and professional arguements.

   But still, The people who continue to buy Amazing Spider-Man and go into an outburst SUCH AS the review of Amazing Spider-Man #638 are the ones doing that to themselves and acting like they have a justifiable notion that they suffered without deserving it. Look im strongly passionate and if its not you guys i insulted without realizing it, than your calling Joe Quesada an idiot or an asshole, or any of those things. You people HAVE!! Ive seen it on almost ever website pertaining to Spider-Man fandom. My outburst was me beating you guys to the punch, this time. You guys have been warned on some podcasts to stop with the flaming and insults, so dont go making me the only bad person whos thrown an insult or two on this website.

   Personally i dont care if this is anyones website, i already aplogized for being rude enough to call people idiots but its true. The same people giving Joe Quesada the flack he deserves, YOU GUYS have to understand that you are the ones paying 3.99 or 4.99 for the same book they constantly complaining about. I cant believe this is what some comicbook fans are like. They use this time to debate and strongly debate what they openly oppose and by the material even though Your giving Brevoort, Whacker, and Quesada your money. Even the people at Marvel say Amazing Spider-Man is a success financially, no matter how many complaints they get.

   SOME people continue to eat and eat up what you are being given and dislike as opposed to dropping something completely and enjoying something else. Something positive thats healthy for them.

   So NO Spider-Plumber, i dont think i was wrong to continue going after calling people on this board idiots, HOWEVER i couldve worded that a little diplomatically and because i did not I am sorry. My opinions about the people wasting thier time believing the marrage will come back, still stands though.

5. The Spider-man Fan base Civil War still rages and I’m sure as hell proud to fight in it. OMD/BND is an utter failure. And I can prove it. “Big Time” the supposed next era for Spider-man is going in the complete and utter opposite direction of BND. A single, money lacking Peter Parker is gone, replaced by a Peter who’s going out with Carlie (oh how I despise her) and has his dream job. Despite the Web-heads best attempts at keeping him a loner the Fantastic Four and Avengers will be regulars. Also the web-heads are gone and good consistent artists are onboard. Other controversial events in Spidey history have been accepted, except possibly Sins Past. OMD/BND are still hated with a passion like I do. I stopped buying, why haven’t you?

6. To Alternaverse: You have chosen to drop ASM, and that’s fine. That’s where you should have stopped. Any respect for your opinion that you expect from anyone else was erased when you went on your tirade. The fact that you decide to call everyone else “idiots” (which, I should inform you, includes Brad, the HEAD of this site, Kevin, a writer whose abilities eclipse most of Marvel’s writers, & Stella, Zack, and J.R. – who have made a point of learning EVERYTHING THEY CAN about their chosen comic interests…) simply drives home the point that you don’t deserve to be heard here – on the #1 Spider-Man website on the Internet.
   To that end, kindly take your “idiotic” opinions to some other website, and leave the RESPECTFUL postings to we who are capable of such things.

7. “They couldn’t marry them because they were afraid that Spidey would lose popularity.”

   And Yet he remained popular with his marriage to MJ.

   “I find a little hard to believe for anyone to read ASM #122 and to think, “My, that was a well-written comic that pushes character progression forward,” at least not at first. ”

   That’s your opinion.

   “Yep, there was some nerd rage going on.”

   And yet, they did not lose half of their readers like they did with OMD/BND. You’re trying to compare Apples to Oranges.

   “The difference is that Conway, Romita, and Thomas didn’t quite feel the same type of onslaught of hate as Quesada does today”

   The difference is that Conway, Romita and Thomas knew how to tell a compelling story that makes sense and respects the characters and the readers. Quesada does not.

8. OK, I actually cited the wrong person. It was Gerry Conway, not Stan Lee, who expressed the reasons behind the death of Gwen Stacy. He believed that Peter and Gwen were the perfect couple. He believed that either having Spidey get married or reveal his identity to her would “betray everything that Spider-man was about” (personal tragedy and anguish as root of Peter’s life as Spider-man) [taken from The 100 Greatest Marvels of All Time].

   The decision was made by Conway, John Romita Sr., and Roy Thomas to kill off Gwen because they couldn’t figure out what to do with her. They couldn’t break them up because their love had been pretty well-established. They couldn’t marry them because they were afraid that Spidey would lose popularity. Nobody at Marvel wanted a married Spider-man. In truth, that was another editorial decision.[from Comic Buyer’s Guide]

   I find a little hard to believe for anyone to read ASM #122 and to think, “My, that was a well-written comic that pushes character progression forward,” at least not at first. Yep, there was some nerd rage going on. The difference is that Conway, Romita, and Thomas didn’t quite feel the same type of onslaught of hate as Quesada does today, or at least it wasn’t quite as apparent because there was no Internet.

9. No offense but to the people who keep buying AMazing Spider-Man, and want the marrage back….. YOUR ALL IDIOTS. EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU!!!

   My god, is there anyone really this stupid on any other website. Look guys i dont like what Joe Q has done but i committed to abstain from Amazing Spider-Man Comics until Quesada gave us answers to One More Day, and i have done it so successfully ive spent my time continuing to buy more things i enjoy.

   Because of it, i took my mind out of Amazing and put in places i enjoy like

   X-Men Forever,
   Ultimate Avengers,
   Marvel Adventures Spidey,
   Ultimate Spider-Man,
   Ghost Rider
   Spider-Girl,
   Spider-Man Noir
   New Ultimates
   Ultimate Enemy/Mystery
   and whatever has Nate Grey in it. He and Spider-Man were buddies starting ASM #420, and met Peters Wife and celebrated Christmas with Aunt Anna.

   And not to mention, that the people at Marvel cant undo the Peter-MJ marrage in 3 places i feel happy to have grown up in: Stan Lees newstrip, Spider-Girls World, and the Marvel VS Capcom Series.

   Sorry to be so rude, i really like this website but the notion and logic you people use is ridiciolus. I mean Amazing Spider-Man sells 70000 or 90000 comics a month and possibly more after that for each issue. One More Day was horrible, you guys arent comdeming it with what you do. Your Buying it, and condoning the things Quesada wants to write without you guys opening your minds to realize it. I either check out the Trades for free from my local library or i borrow a copy of my friends issue, keep it clean and give it back to him/her. I havent really liked any Post OMD Story, ive only checked out the ones that explains what has to do with why we have Brand New Day like Harrys “Death”, The Psychic Blindspot revealed in the New Avengers, and with the Fantastic Four, what happened to the people who knew Spider-Mans Identity like Eddie Brock and Norman Osborn, and now the answers in OMIT.

   Its ok to keep reading Spider-Man to be able to provide as many points as you have in your podcasts or blogs but man oh man, dont give Qesada your money in the process!!! Marvels Editor in Chief spent a long time whining and planning to undo Spider-Mans marrage, and helping him and Brevoot and Wacker, into having the funds to write more scripts of a ManChild, Unmarried Spider-Man is the last thing you want to do.

   It was almost like that with the Clone Saga, and we can get the old status Quo back if we do it that way.

   Its only because im watching Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood that im not mad enough to write more points about what im saying right now.

   By the way, i dont know how many copies you people in charge of this website grab, but drop the numbers damn it, if you want to strength whatever arguements you have, because everytime i look into any websites like Formspring to ask TomBrevoort, Steve Wacker, or other people about Spider-Man, they tell me hes a success and its not something id currently like to be true.

10. “If the Internet had been around in the ’70s, the Death of Gwen Stacy would’ve been subject to the same harsh criticism as OMD.”

    No, because it was handled professionally, and with great love for the characters. You felt Peter’s pain, and he still mourns her to this day.
    No, the backlash would’ve come if, immediately after her death, Peter started going to parties, getting drunk, and sleeping with every girl he met…y’know, like he does today!

11. “If the Internet had been around in the ’70s, the Death of Gwen Stacy would’ve been subject to the same harsh criticism as OMD,”

    No and that’s because of strong story telling. People would have been pissed if there was an Internet back then but people would have have called it a strong story that respect the characters. OMD is nothing compared to that.

    “Doesn’t mean OMD was on the same level as the Death of Gwen Stacy, but the similarities of the situations are astounding.”

    There is no similarities at all between the stories.” the Death of Gwen Stacy” took the character further, OMD regressed the character to the point of alienating half its readership and it continues to bleed readers.

12. If the Internet had been around in the ’70s, the Death of Gwen Stacy would’ve been subject to the same harsh criticism as OMD, because the reason Stan Lee killed her off was because he thought Spider-man was too young to marry.

    Doesn’t mean OMD was on the same level as the Death of Gwen Stacy, but the similarities of the situations are astounding.

13. “If they fired EIC’s for doing things that upset the fans, and making them stick, Roy Thomas would’ve been canned for giving the go ahead to kill Gwen Stacy!”

    Here is the big difference, the death of Gwen Stacy was a well written story that is considered a classic. Plus it did not drive away half of the readership from the book. OMD is considered one of the worst stories ever written for a mainstream comic and that combine with the horrible writing and editorial decisions of BND drove away half of its readership.

    Joe Q is doing this for his own ego, not the welfare of the character or its fans. It will eventually blow up in his face and it beginning to do it. he has embarrass himself as a writer and creator with OMD and the currant OMIT.

14. “we still keep buying the product”

    Whose buying the product?

    “we would have to speak in volumes by NOT BUYING ASM!”

    Didn’t the book lose about 50% of its readers since what OMD?

    “I have no intentions of stopping.”

    Then you are their last 50% that is still there.

15. Listening to Joe Q’s interview, I don’t think he’s intentionally trying to piss off Spider-Fans. Like he said, us buying comics is what keeps him employed. I don’t, however, think he realizes the extent to which Spider-Fans are pissed off because we can bitch and moan all we want, but we still keep buying the product – myself included! (I mainly keep buying in the hopes that they’ll ret-con everything!) If we really want Marvel to “get it”, we would have to speak in volumes by NOT BUYING ASM! I know this makes me a hypocrite, because pissed off as I am, I have no intentions of stopping. I just think we should all understand that if we keep buying, Joe Q will continue with the current direction, because the sales numbers tell him it’s successful!

16. Man, this is sad…. not in a good way.

17. One Moment In Time doesn’t change anything…Marvel was publishing crappy Spider-Man comics before OMIT, and my bet is they’ll still publish crappy comics after it.

18. If they fired EIC’s for doing things that upset the fans, and making them stick, Roy Thomas would’ve been canned for giving the go ahead to kill Gwen Stacy! Heck, I still haven’t forgiven Harras for bring back Norman! Oh well, to erroneously paraphrase Quesada, “It’s comics! You don’t have to explain them!”

19. Bendis was probably making a joke. They’re buds. Don’t take everything so seriously.

20. Queasda did not save Marvel from bankruptcy, it was the licensing of their characters that saved them ( Movies toys).

21. Like I keep saying on this board of comments. Stan Lee should fly out to Marvel offices and fire the biggest but head whom doesn’t care what the fans want because he wants to Never Listen. In fact maybe Stan could have Queasda NEVER BE ALLOWED TO WORK IN COMICS EVER AGAIN. Which would serve Quesada right for taking Marvel to it’s lowest sales point in years, I know he brought them outta bankruptcy in 2,000 but Never EVER LISTENING TO YOUR BIGGEST CLIENTS is always a NO- NO! RIGHT?

22. What the hell does Bendis have to do with ASM? He’s doing his own book.

23. Wait, Bendis tried? That’s the first I’ve heard of that.

24. No. I talked to him at ComiCon in Seattle and he said that OMD and BND will never be undone under his watch. Later, Bendis pulled me aside and said, “Sorry, man. He means it. I’ve tried.”

25. I’m pretty sure that this will be revealing how Spidey’s secret identity remained secret but M.J. still knew who Peter really was. I just wish Marvel would bring back the Spider-Marriage already. Seriously, it’s been three long years, and fans are still split, upset, disappointed and frustrated with the current status quo. And having a new bat-winged Hobgoblin, a new female Carnage, giving Peter a new girlfriend, and having multiple new suits for Spidey like that black-and-neon-green monstrosity doesn’t make me want to rush into reading the books. Also, I’m one of the few fans who’s more upset that the marriage WAS taken away to begin with rather than HOW (but believe me, HOW still was really, REALLY awful). First, they say that the real Peter was a clone that M.J. was married to and they left when Peter handed the Spidey mantle over to Ben. Then, they try to have M.J. die in an exploding airplane, then they bring her back by saying she was taken prisoner before the plane took off. Next, she separates from Peter to go to L.A., but JMS wisely had them reconcile and he gave the Spider-Marriage some of its best moments in his run. And then OMD/BND came along and now my favorite married couple in all of comics aren’t married because Marvel says that the marriage I grew up with, knew and loved never happened. So, they can let the Lizard eat his own son, let Spidey have a friends-with-benefits relationship with Black Cat, and have Spidey get defeated by a thrown cinder block and having an obese man fall on top of him in order to miss his wedding day, but they won’t let it stay in continuity that he and M.J. got married? Ugh.

26. I noticed a OMIT advertisement in the newest issue of USM. MJ looks like she’s dead.

27. Yeah, I think the cover points to the deal, though it may not necessarily have anything to do with what may lie in the book itself. I don’t see Marvel bringing back the marriage so long as Quesada, Brevoort and Whacker are at Marvel.

28. I agree w/ Enigma. I also agree that this is just a depiction of the ceremony used to create the “psychic blind spot”.

29. To JasonM: Don’t forget about Marcy Kane and April May.

30. My problem isn’t the end of the marriage… it’s the METHOD USED TO END IT.

31. To quote Admiral Ackbar from Return of The Jedi..”It’s a Trap!!”

    Yeah I hope they go back old to the old ways of the marriage,but Im not gonna hold my breath.Ill still read it nonetheless.

32. This is stupid. I was in the “pro-marriage” camp, but I don’t give a damn at this point. If the current status quo won’t be changing,why don’t they just move on and stop flashing back to the meeting with Mephisto or the day of the (cancelled) wedding. I figure any issue now,Quesada will give a story where Parker gets a 10-way with MJ,Felicia,Carlie,Deb Whitman,Liz,Betty,Gwen’s ghost,Gwen’s clone and Cissy Ironwood in a fleabag motel,while downloading porn.

33. which is a shame

34. I agree w/Persian. I listened to the Joe Q. podcast, and it doesn’t seem like Marvel is backing down or “ret-conning” BND at all…..

35. having lsitened to the Joe Q podcast on this site, i just dont think Marvel will be willing to change the status quo.

36. If Peter doesn’t regain his sense of responsibility again I think I may just give away all my Spidey comics 🙁

37. Notice MJ is wearing the same outfit from OMD.

38. We may be reading too much into this. We’re reading it as “One Moment in Time” (the name of the story arc) Changes Everything instead of “One Moment in Time Changes Everything.” Savvy?

39. It’s Quesada doubling down on Fail. All we’re left to wonder about is what he’ll screw up next with the third part of this ‘trilogy’ and then to look to the day when talented people will fix all of the damage.

40. @ Kevin -You have a point? Does anyone subscribed to Marvel.com get these? Or are they sending them specificially to Brad

    If so- AWESOME!

    – ANd it DOES seem a lot like something a certain masterful writer wrote…

41. One Omit In Time (TM) is just the latest of a long line of crappy Spider-Man stories forced upon this once-great character. It’s amazing how bad Marvel has treated their flagship character over the last 15 years or so, always trying to “reinvent” a character that was great and never needed to be revamped or reinvented.

42. Why are we complaining, they have full fill their promise, spidey has not been the same after OMD and will not be the same after this, it is just that they never promised that we would like it after their awful decisions. I have read internet versions since OMD and I have not buy one issue as none of them has been worted. I even miss maximum clonage… for god seak…

43. The preview of the next story line after OMIT showed Peter needing money to go on a date with Carlie.

44. Looks like crap.

45. I’m guessing that image refers to Pete/MJ’s ceremony that wiped everyone’s mind of Spidey’s secret identity. There’s no way the marriage is coming back.

46. Its either a red herring or they remeber their marriage but decide its best to stay friends.

47. Does it retcon Sins Past, OMD, and stay crunchy, even in milk?

48. Darn it, I was just coming to the front page to put this up!

49. this seems a lot like a fan series i read a while back written by a talented kevin cushing

50. I think it’s a trick.