Gang,
I only intended to keep this banner up on the message board for a short time. I’ve since changed it.
Yes, it was a shot back at him after his “C-Spaced” comment, however I tried to make it as classy as I could. He did post a big long thread that he’s leaving the message board..again…so I thought how do I use the words “Space MB” with Slott. It was just a natural.
Thank you to all the folks that have my back, both Zeta, Delta and everyone in between. In looking back at the situation I have nothing but sadness for Dan Slott and the whole situation. I really wish he could be part of this community. It’s a blast here and it has been for 12 years. I wish we had the Slott that first posted on the board that said how he’s a life-long fan. He showed off his first issues and how much he loved the character. I also wish we had the guy who I interviewed on the podcast a couple years ago. He was such a nice guy and I thought it awesome we had a pro on the board talking Spidey.
Two years later we have a guy that pops up every few months to just zone in on the negative comments. He will chime in say the site is negative, leave only to come back a few months later to rinse and repeat.
We have a person that makes sure to take post shots at the site whenever possible even after I said it’s a personal insult. I’ve told him numerous times that the writer of Spider-Man always takes some flack. If they’re not talking about your work then there must be something wrong. I wish he could understand that fact.
I’ve been incredibly busy this week with work and with the upcoming baby preparations so I haven’t had a chance to monitor the board as much as I ‘d like. I’d like to personally thank all the admins on the board. Specifically Kevin who is above and beyond outstanding at his non-paying job. Why a dude would put up with personal pot shots and constantly having his judgments questioned and not get paid for it is beyond me. He is a true friend of mine and of the site.
To the regular visitors of the site, don’t let this get you down. We all love Spider-Man and I do think Mr. Slott does too. However, he has some issues like we all do in accepting criticism and owning up to doing something wrong. I honestly don’t think Farmernudie is Mr. Slott and I agree that Slott owned him an apology for claiming his posts were not his own. However, condemning this site and not taking responsibility is just wrong. You would think after writing a character that is all about responsibility would have rubbed off on him.
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Yeah amazing man spider…
I am torn on this subject. I feel like it is almost talking politics. Both sides have somewhat valid points. I think that there are so many people saying that this site can skew on the side of negativity, that there has to be some truth to that. If it was something said a couple of times, then i feel that it could just be written off as a couple angry fanboys who didn’t get their way. But i have heard more than a few times. So i fell there is some truth to that. One of the things that i have heard is that if you are writing ASM then you have to be ready for criticism. Well I feel that it is the same for this site. If you are going to run the VERY BEST Spider-man based web-site, you have to be ready for criticism. Even though this is a HOBBIE for everyone here involved (as far as I know, nobody is making any money off of this site), this site is the king of all spider-media. I think early on, when you first started the podcast, that it was just a small site with a maybe 500-1000 loyal fans of the site. I am guessing that now you are way past that. With all of the people that listen to your podcasts and visit this site COMES RESPONSIBILITY. I personally do think that there is more responsibility for all involved in this site to act resposnbly. Not to say that you havnt.
I check this site at least 5 times a day and always check iTunes waiting for the cast to come out. I love listening to the cast, but i do sometimes get offended when a review is simply boiled down to “sucks ass” “Epic fail” etc. To me i like a more thorough review. I do enjoy that you do a postive and a negative. That is good reviewing. ANd i do agree with one of the posters above, that it all starts with you podcasters. You set the tone for the site. For the most part i love the casts. There are just a few things that I dislike. I don’t have a problem with people not liking stories. I just want to hear a better reason that it “Sucked Ass” For the most part I can’t recall when anyone has attacked a creator or artists or anything. OTher than really early on. I think in the last 2 years, you guys have really pulled back from that.
In Closing, I love this site and all of the content. It is the best comic site on the net hands down. In the end it is BRAD’S site and he can do whatever he wants with it. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. But i also want to re-stress the importance of this site. There are a lot of people that visit this site and there is a lot of power in the views and opinions expressed by the people in charge of this site. And we all know that with great power comes great responsibility.
“Dudes in a tough spot. He gets to write AMS.”
Amazing Man-Spider? XD
Let’s be honest here. Most of the Mods and Admin like me here, and I am one step away from being banned. I am not discussion why, but I am just pointing out a fact. To continue with this honesty post here, I let this stuff get to me, and I have step away from going to other message boards. It is hard to break that habit of looking at other message boards, but I will be back here once I have done broken that habit. Crawlspace is a place I come to hang out with people and have good time. I very rarely talk about Spider-man anymore except to clear certain misconceptions.
I will defend Crawlspace, Brad, Kevin, Stella, Zack, Micheal, and JR on the podcast because they are trying to be entertaining and are fair with their critique. The mods and admin are fair and believe in second chances, which I am really thankful for by the way, that is seen as a bad thing. Even those that gotten banned here were warned not once but twice. They didn’t get the message.
I am done commenting Dan Slott, Steve Wacker, and even Joe Quesada anymore because I am not going the “Internet Persona” that people want me to be anymore. I am just going to be talking about comic books I enjoy reading, and don’t read the ones I don’t enjoy anymore. That is what I have been doing on a majority of my podcasts. (For some reason people think other wise) I also try to do a panel show to talk about overall issue in the comic book industry and not just at one company.
Brad gave this idea without even knowing it because of his podcast and his website. I freely admit. Brad style isn’t my style because his far more entertaining than I am. In fact, the whole crew here are 100 times more entertaining than I on my podcast. They are at Mach 5 compare my crawling.
I am taking my own advice which I have said my show. I am taking a break from posting so I can get past this. It isn’t about what Dan Slott has done. It is about what I have done to myself allowing this “Internet thing” get to me. I need to get back to the TSChamp I was when I first came here and not the one looking for a fight with guy that doesn’t care. Silly, I know, but it happens to the best of us.
I am really sorry if I done anything to cause any ill will among any members of Crawlspace. I really do mean that and not trying to be a martyr. I am honestly sorry if I cause and hurt feelings. I am putting this to bed as quickly as I can.
Chirst is this still going on! i thought i would pop back and see if anyone replied to my comment, but since the only replys to me was childish “your wrong we’re right” posts i won’t bother arguing.
No matter what anyone has said on these boards or other places around the internet Dan Slott has a right to say whatever he wants about this site! and you guys have the right to say whatever you want about Dan Slott! but why can’t we all just rise above the pettiness of this situation! BD you say that Dan was childish and wrong in what he did and said! then don’t respond to it! just move on! the fact that this shit is still going on just makes it look like this site is a bunch of childish idiots shouting “HE STARTED IT!” or it makes it look like the site is just trying to stir up trouble so they get a bit more traffic and a bit more publicity!
either way everyone comes of looking like a moron!
Provided we remain respectful, of course.
For what it’s worth, I’m sorry about how all of this went down, everyone. To Mr. Douglas and the other administrators, I want you all to know that I appreciate all the hard work you put to this site. I’ve always found it to be a fun and entertaining place to visit. Thank you for giving all of us Spidey-fans a place to freely express our opinions, whether good or bad.
@Brian
Marvel should be greatful to this site. You are 100% correct. BND is an attempt to gain new and younger readers. What they fail to realize is that the older, loyal readers are their best advertisers.
@Styleshift
I just read that forum you posted where Farley lashed out at the posters that aren’t fond of the current direction and I agree whole-heartedly with your respectful, yet firm response. While I maintain my admission that things can get a little negative sometimes (a problem which i’m partly the cause of) II wouldn’t have stuck up for Farley like I did if I knew he attacked other posters for absolutely no reason at all. He reminds me of this dude Dragynwulf actually. Where’s Jeff Gamer and Tomek when you need them (inside joke).
Styleshift just knocked it out of the park. On that note, I’m going to bed.
Farley, I think you thrive off of controversy and negativity. Seriously why else is there a reason to come here?
That’s what you claim what all the posters come here for. To solely call out and personally attack the current staff of Amazing Spider-man.
Yes because every minute that goes by without them getting attacked personally is soooooo precious to us! 🙄
Dude I can think of MANY times where you have come out of the gates with a condescending tone to others who express why they don’t like all the drunken hook ups and explicit masked sex in an ALL AGES BOOK. Oh and about the guy asking about ASM? He asks what should he be READING. He was NOT specific. Than he goes on and says that he heard Amazing was not so good. NOBODY says anything bad about Amazing. NO ONE. In fact Farmernudie (A Delta who cannot get over the marriage) said he should TRY the title before you came in and got upset because no one commented on Amazing within LESS THAN AN HOUR of that post. 😯
(IT’S ALL HERE FOLKS!!! THE POST THAT FARLEY AND MARVEL DO NOT WANT YOU TO SEE!!!)
http://spidermancrawlspace.com/wwwboard/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6500
*giggle* I sounded like Stan Lee. =)
Uh, anyways…
If it’s something you love PROMOTE IT. If you don’t like it, you have the right to express yourself about it. Isn’t it silly that you guys seem so hard to censor opinion on a HORRIBLE story?
As of now the effects of that story STILL last. Why would some fans just drop it or be happy if they LOVE Spider-man?? This Evil Hal Jordan level stuff here whether you like it or not. One More day was widely and critically panned. Look, stop trying to rewrite Brad’s rules. At the end of the day, Brad and his administrators only have SO much power over you or me. If you do not like that they allow everyone to get their two cents in on comics. Follow these 3 simple steps if you need help.
1) Get up
2) Shut off the computer
3) Walk away
Oh and by the way,
You insulted the CREATOR of this WEB SITE and he let you slide. You should be grateful. After all your POSITIVE so your going to be discriminated against and banned quickly right?
As far as I know you have no warning as of yet. He even unlocked the thread so you could respond PUBLICLY.
http://spidermancrawlspace.com/wwwboard/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6529&start=75
I can think of SO many threads where you posted things just to get other fans go. There are multiple threads where your comments have CONSIDERABLY derailed the threads.
There have been moments where I’ve personally responded to you about POSITIVE things and you’ve ignored it, to go find the next thing you can stir up. You only seem to scan these boards for whatever things you can BLOW up to mega proportions. (Most of the latest controversy has involved YOU. Except for the most recent one)
It’s gotten to the point where I really can’t stand what you have to say. Your absolutely wrong about this website and it’s members.
There are SOME fans that get carried away but for the most part we’re all really cool people if you would just CHAT with us instead of immediately attacking our opinions for what we think. Besides, If Thrawn, Berserkfury, Tschamp, Donomark, or myself have something NEGATIVE to say. Than it probably deserved it and I can BET you that 100s more will agree. Instead we constantly get told “we’re just being negative” and we’re supposed to be cool with that. Instead of posting about what YOU like, we often see a reply telling us our opinions don’t count. How would that make YOU feel?
In fact the threads for Amazing Spider-man have been just as dead as anywhere else lately. Most of us just come here to chat about the silliest things. Your complaining about something that has happened EVERYWHERE whether you believe so or not.
As soon as I get back to the boards after my little “vacation” I’m putting you on my ignore list. I can’t believe how down right disrespectful you are to the administrators here. Heavily criticizing them for something they do not get payed for that YOU get to enjoy. psh. That’s sad. You’ve lost A LOT of my respect here on out. I’ve NEVER done this to ANYONE.
Hey all,
The folks at Mavel should be grateful for your website. For better or worse (critizism wise), you all keep people interested in spider-man. Your podcasts and reviews are what’s keeping me buying the comic in this overpriced and inconsistent run.
Farley does raise some valid points. This site, and Marvel’s message boards have become overly negative, but the reason they are overly negative is because a lot of fans are disgusted with the current direction. To many of us, they took the hero we grew up reading and they put him in a time machine that made him younger, dumber, and inauthentic.
Slott and Wacker don’t post here anymore but its difficult to say why that is. Could it be the overwhelming negativity? Yeah, but manifested in what way? Maybe Slott and Wacker aren’t in love with the new direction either but have to put up with it to write comics and make a living.
I don’t think the latter is the case but its worth mentioning. The number 1 way we hurt one another is burning the empathic brigde. We fail to understand people and why they think and act in a certain manner, and we jump down their throats for an opinion.
I’m new to posting on this site, and even though I stopped reading AMS because of how poor the storytelling has been, I’d like to help make this site a little less negative and a little more open to posters who like the new direction.
Like I said, we have to remember that we don’t really know each other. If we did, we’d probably understand why certain people like the new direction and while others do not.
Furthermore, writers are human. Slott, who is Spidey fan, comes to this site and sees that there are a bunch of “his” people that hate his work. This obviously has a psychological effect on him. He’s hurt by this, and he’s lashing out because this hurts him. He’s probably handling it as good as he can. I’m not a fan of Dan writing AMS, as a matter of fact, i’ve been very critical of him because I honestly hate his take on Peter. Now look what I just wrote, i meant it first of all, but how do you think Slott would feel if he read that.
Dudes in a tough spot. He gets to write AMS. Thats freaking awesome. But there’s a whole bunch of criticism he has to face that sucks.
I guess its true, with great power comes great responsibility.
Farley.
I’ll say this to you for the last time. You need to hear it this time.
The two Zetas that got banned got banned for violating the rules. Not because they were pro-Brandnewverse. You continually bringing up the fact they were banned, ad nauseum, doesn’t change that fact. We’ve also pointed out to you that more Deltas have been banned than Zetas to this point, yet somehow (oversight, surely!!) you failed to mention that.
Get over it now.
When you ( by you I mean the casters on your podcast ) describe issues on your podcast as “a turd” “prison-ass” “ass” or “sucked out loud” “this issue sucked so hard” all you’re doing is sending a message to posters on here that it’s ok to act in this way. That’s personal, you may not be calling the writers names per se, but criticising the work that bluntly is out of order. You can criticise in a civilised way, like JR or Michael Bailey.
You say that you are not negative because you give out good grades on the podcast, but man, do you do it begrudgingly. ” I give this one a B” said in a resigned, not-impressed voice. A “B” is a good mark! Sound impressed for Slott’s sake! 🙂
I know me and thee Brad have come to blows recently regarding a post I made where you took personal offense to. No offense was intended, I was discussing other posters on here, yet you took it personally. Why be so defensive? The fact is, as soon as the marvel site banned all discussion on OMD, this site was FLOODED with, for want of a better term, haters of the current status-quo who monopolised this board. If I go to any random thread regarding comics on here, I’ll see 75% of them posted by Deltas. Why? Because not many people left on here can be bothered to argue against the sheer volume of negativity produced by these posts.
Please understand, I’m not saying that YOU are negative, I have a lot of respect for you running this site, and dearly love to come here and talk “Spidey” but it can become a chore when my positive outlook is challenged on such a level.
The flipside is, whilst Deltas can be as negative as they wish ( seemingly ), pro posters like Mr Mets or Mcgargan are banned, whilst other posters such as Poddington and Doc Folsome just don’t bother coming here anymore.
This is something I’ve wanted to get off my chest for awhile now, you practically give a green light to posters being negative by doing nothing about it. This is YOUR site Brad, a site started by someone who “loves” Spidey as much as I do who wants to share that with the world. You are generally positive on the podcasts, heck, you didn’t even mind OMD, but this site is negative in regards to the views of the posters who post on here most frequently.
In our recent “dust-up” you suggested I should make the site more positive by posting on positive things, but I come here to discuss the latest Spidey developments, and unfortunately the “hive mentality” on here is one of disdain for ASM’s current direction, and sometimes this extends to the creators themselves.
In a recent thread, someone came on here to ask advice about where they should start reading the current ASM. After reading a dozen or so posts by posters advising this poor guy NOT to read ASM, I posted that he should, and was then accused of being either Slott or Wacker ( ironic considering the recent hubbub concerning online identities ) , Spideydude had to confirm that I was neither, but the accusation illustrates the point that a positive poster is seen as a minority, anamoly or marvel insider, that’s just crazy.
Finally, I read the CBR thread in question, it was obvious that Slott was joking. I’m sure he feels a little disappointment in this site, as you say, you did a fantastic podcast with him just before BND started, he couldn’t have been more enthusiastic to be here, that podcast ran to 3 hours, and he didn’t seem to mind. But when you look at the percentage of, for want of a better term, negative to positive on here, when you realise that Slott spent half the time on here defending himself from being mis-quoted, or posters insinuating that he was being disrespectful, when the last occasion of him being called “indecent” something which was only flagged because I called attention to btw, you can understand why he asked for his account to be deleted.
The fact that George banned farmernudie from Delta, without even talking the matter through with him indicates the “pitch-fork” mentality, and, IMO, it’s understandable that Dan wanted to get a little dig back of his own. I imagine Dan’s quite upset over the response he got by posting on here ( I notice that Wacker no longer posts on here ) , and you have to ask yourself why these creators have chosen to no longer be associated with this site.
For my part, I can understand why you would get so defensive over this site, it’s your baby after all, but I think if everyone took a step back, took a deep breath, we could all see how this incident came about, and hopefully, take steps in ensuring it doesn’t happen again.
Let me close ( finally! ) by thanking you for creating this site for Spidey fans like myself to come to, you’ve done us a great service. I just hope we can make this site a slightly happier one in the future.
““Have you guy ever, just for a second thought that he is right?”
No. Mainly because he’s wrong.”
hahahaLOLZ
That is so far from a rant it is actually funny that you would call it that.
OK, here my argument, which I will admit to be poorly typed on account of me rushing.
Your site is overly negative. It has been since the beginning of the new direction. The creators came here to answer some of your criticism. They were treated like scum, sometimes being accused of being sexist and racist. You guys implemented a rule, that people were no longer allowed to insult the creators because some were active members of the board. That rule was rarely enforced. In fact the only time I remember seeing it enforced is when Dan directly called you on it. Recently in a thread, a few posters were calling Marvel disgusting for OMIT. Because they decided based on random internet guy #21312 random guess that Venom was going to rape MJ . They used this to take the moral highground despite the fact that the story only existed in their heads. If you can’t see why creators would get upset at this discussion and others of it’s ilk then I don’t what to tell you.
What you guys will say is, “If you’re going to write Amazing Spider-Man then you have accept criticism.” But you see that’s not criticism, that’s just insulting. There’s a massive difference. They have every right to defend themselves against stuff like that, and if people are going to insult their character rather than their work why can’t they get a personal dig in as well?
But the real problem with this whole thing is that you guys think it’s ok to constantly criticise him but it’s not ok for him to constantly criticise you. Somehow that makes him a bad guy, even worse is that you imply that he has an insidious personality. Farmernudie-gate was poor decision on his part but the crawlspace comment, I’ll say this, if you’re going to criticise him don’t play the victim when he criticises you.
BD, I do agree with you about grammar/syntax/semantics (whatever you want to call it) , but Jack O Lantern could be foreign. He did well enough to get his point across, nonetheless.
On a side note, is it possible for you guys to lock a comments board like this? As much as I value other people’s opinions I don’t see this discussion progressing anywhere; and the longer it stirs the more feeling will get hurt. Just a thought.
“Have you guy ever, just for a second thought that he is right?”
No. Mainly because he’s wrong.
Jack- I tried to read your rant but man, use a spell checker. Your argument would be much better and challenging if you could get your point across in English.
We have positive and negative comments all the time. Your post was an example of a negative post.
Have you guy ever, just for a second thought that he is right? I think this site is overly negative, a lot of people do. Some people with positive opinion of the current direction agree. For the most part the only people who don’t think that this site is ridicoulously negative are the people who post here.
But even leaving that out what is really interesting is how defensive you guys get when challenged on it. How many times have the creators been insulted on this site? I bhave heard them alled racist and sexist. You say that that is against the rules but how often are people warned about it? Not long ago a lot of people were saying that Marvel are disgusting for when they will probably write a story that has Venom raping MJ. This story only exists in their heads, yet they used to protray the creators as morallt bankrupted individuals, while the posters took the hang ground. How many warnings were dished out them? And when the creators go “Hey, wait a minute..” You guys pull the old ” Your a writer, I’m a customer that’s gives me the right to criticse your work. And imply that you’re the scum of the earth.” Then when the creator, shocj, horror, gets his own dig in and generally reacts unhappy to the whole scum of the earth thing, you guys call them immature, pathetic etc. Still no warnings despite that rule against that. Then they dare criticse your site and, oh boy, shit just got real. Suddenly then criticism is wrong and immature and defending oneself is heroic and classy.
Basically to sum up it seems in your mind it goes like this, it’s ok for you to cricticse them but it’s not ok for them to criticse you.
I actually became an active member today to defend crawlspace. I’ve watched this entire debacle unfold and I can tell you that Slott was in the wrong first, and that BD had every right to defend Crawlspace. Miles_Marren does have a point though. Maybe it would have been better to “be the bigger man” and not put up that picture of Slott. The written part of the post though, was classy and needed. Crawlspace is a great place where great discussion occurs. Slott cannot handle the criticism of his work. It’s understandable but lashing out at the community is not. He’s writing one of the most read and beloved comics of all time in one of its most controversial era’s… did he really think there’d be no criticism?
Can someone fill me in here, I missed this massive debate?
And it’s petty to bash Slott over his work. Maybe it wasn’t good but shouldn’t you say the story was bad, other than say he was a bad person? I’ve read stuff by Slott that I haven’t overall liked but that doesn’t change my opinion on Slott at all. He’s written some fantastic stuff like Spider-Man/Human Torch and I loved his opening arc of BND. And just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean you should say bad things about him personally. I bet if some people who criticized him read a book by him, without knowing it was him they might actually like it. That’s just me cutting in, I’m not 100% about what’s happened.
Thank you BD for this incredible site. Thank you for once again showing your class by letting some of us(myself included) criticize this board without fear of repurcussions. That is just one reason why this is not just the best Spider-Man site on the internet, but one of the best comic related sites over all. Thanks again.
This IS the way to handle it Brad. I wish Slott the best in his future endeavors (wrestling fans will get this). Good luck with the baby and I want to say thanks to Kevin for taking his time to post in the Villains tournament despite his hectic schedule. Thanks Buddy.
Well, said, SpiderPlumber!
I’ve been a Spidey-Fan for the better part of 33 years, myself (Learned to read from following along with the Spidey records…remember those? Good times…), but I haven’t bought a single Spidey comic in years. The problem is NOT Mr. Slott, the character, or his world. I still love Spider-Man, and always will. The problem is the way it’s written. Now, I don’t know exactly what sparked Mr. Slott’s issue with the MB, but I think that the general opinion (not just of the admins and mods, but also of All Spidey-fans), is that Spider-Man is being written badly…PERIOD. “Spectacular Spider-Man” (RIP), Stan’s strip (Although sometimes silly and slow-moving), and of course the “Crawlspace”, are perfect examples of how Spider-Man SHOULD be written. They unite all generations of fellow web-heads by paying respect to years of history, while still staying true to Spidey’s core.
What Marvel (in general) doesn’t seem to understand is that “With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility” (And yes, I capitalized that phrase intentionally!) It is NOT just a catchphrase; It’s a way of life. If you want the power to use such a beloved character, write his adventures, and dictate his destiny, then you have a responsibility to do such in a way that does not disappoint or disgust his fans. If only old farts like myself were complaining, then I could understand Marvel not caring…We are not the target audience, after all. But it’s not just us. On the most recent podcast, I was astonished to hear my exact feeling of distaste coming out of the mouth of a 14-year old kid! (I won’t mention your real name, but I salute you, H4M!) AND HE IS THE TARGET AUDIENCE!
As I see it, all of us share the same opinion, BD…But you’re the one with the website! And I’ll continue to come here, Slott or no Slott!
EXCELSIOR!
this whole thing is a reminder that we’re all human. Keep up with the GREAT site, CrawlSpacers!
Hmm this is so stupid I couldn’t care less if slott comes to this message board or not or any other spidey creator. Unless they r being interviewed I dontk think they need defend themselves honestly if the work is good you won’t have to defend yourselves now u can’t please everyone but there is a general consesus and If that general consensus is negative well then it’s negative and may e you should tailor your writing to your audience. It’s too bad slott won’t read this comment because I’d like him to know that I’ve said this but shit happens I guess but at one point the only bnd books I got were slott’s now the only spidey I read is ultimate spider-man so what does that state of spider-man
I guess I don’t know what Mr. Slott said. Let me say that I have the utmost respect for all of you on the crawlspace and really appreciate all that you do for your fellow fans of ASM. I also want to say that I do feel at times there is a lot of negativity toward the comics that comes off on the podcast. I feel like most of the time this is merited in that the stories not the same as they used to be. Weather or not it is better or worse is all subjective I suppose. I personally long for a lot of the stuff like in the old day sbut I also know that there must be room for creativity.
I think there needs to be good positive criticism. I am a songwriter by trade and if other “better” musicians than me hadn’t taken me in and given me good constructive criticism and cared enough to tell me what needed changing in a loving way then I would never have gotten better at my craft. I think there always needs to be room for forgiveness and starting over. Maybe Mr. Slott will want to re-examine why there are so many negative comments if he had more people cheering him on to do just that. Just saying that as a creative person, how something is said makes all the difference. We all are wrong sometimes but we also all need each other to become better. I realize he must have a terribly hard job and it is just impossible to please everyone. Some people when they feel like they aren’t pleasing “anyone” can feel attacked and not know any other position to take but to attack back.
I love you guys and am grateful for the crawlspace and the podcast. I feel like you are all old friends that I listen to often and laugh with, rejoice with, and share frustrations with. Keep up the good work and try not to be embittered. To paraphrase Bob Wiley, “People are like telephone lines. Sometimes you lose the connection but maybe you can get them back on the line if you let some time pass”.
It’s my understanding that this entire shit-storm started due to “perceived” negativity towards the writers of ASM.
As a Spider-Man fan (and ALL true Spider-Man fans know to use the “hyphen”) for 35 of my 39 years, I can very honestly say that, AS A WHOLE, the ASM writing sinced BND started has been poor.
Poorly created characters like Freak, Mr. Negative, Vomiting Vulture, etc.
Poorly written regulars like Harry (except for the most part in American Son) and Aunt May
Poorly developed plot lines like MJ, “Dark” Aunt May, and the stale use of characters like Norah and Carlie
Poor artwork – in fact, the entire CONCEPT of having a “revolving” creative team is absolutely ludicrous. Proper continuity is impossible.
There have been some bright moments, however:
The Flash Thompson story
The two-part Rhino St
….
…sadly, I can’t think of much more that I’ve REALLY liked – the rest I’ve simply tolerated!
Here’s my point.
In any profession, if your customers are constantly disappointed with your product and performance, expect them to have a negative opinion about you, and your product – and they’ll be right!
It’s time for Marvel to pull it’s collective head out of it’s ass and listen to it’s customers!!!!!
I, for one don’t want to stop collecting ASM.
If it goes up to $6.99 per issue, I will still collect ASM.
The reason is because of my love for ASM.
But if I’m not given anything worth collecting…..
Dan Slott freaking said on the SuperHero Hype boards he wasn’t farmernudie or whiteshark. I think you all owe him an apology for this.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=18308351&postcount=23
BD,
For many years the Crawlspace has provided many posters, lurkers and others a tremendous amount of enjoyment. Anyway, this place is no different than any other message board, people can agree, disagree, fight, have fun, make friendships and find a naughty picture gallery! Oh wait, that last one, I’ll edit that out later…
I realize that every message board has it’s place, but as a life long Amazing Spider-Man fan, it is great there is a place dedicated to this character and that it can show off both the best and worst of our favorite character.
Its too bad this “episode” happened, both the Crawlspace and Dan Slott deserve better…
Does anyone else think Slott looks like Danny Devito in that picture? Brad has every right to defend his site however he sees fit, and he chose to make a rather benign response to Slott’s constant criticism of the Crawlspace. I’m also sure that if Slott ever decided to return to the Crawlspace Brad would allow him to do so. He left of his own volition. You handled this entire childish situation well Brad.
Everyone’s just so darn sensitive these days. It’s just comics!
I’m pretty sure the Crawlspace as a whole came off better over this whole shitstorm than Slott, who like BD said comes across as a guy that cannot take criticism well. To be fair to Slott if any of us actually got our our dream job that we spent our whole lives dreaming about (which funny enough for a lot of us would be Slotts current job) and were told we were doing a bad job of it we’d probably take it very much to heart as well, like someone insulting the love of your life.
Course, I’d like to think in his situation we’d all react better then Slott has in this occasion, but you never know until. I’m not saying this justifies Slotts reaction, just I can understand his position, like no one member of the BT/webheads has reacted like this for a reason I assume
Perhaps I’ll mindlessly bash the next issue of crawlspace whenever it comes out and see what kind of reaction that gets from Kevin, prepare him for the big time 😉
Let me quote a post I made a few months ago…
“To borrow Dan Slott’s “at the end of the day”..
At the end of the day the Crawlspace podcast gets thousands of downloads (per day people).
At the end of the day Crawlspace gets thousands of hits a day.
At the end of the day BD can remember ALL THE SPIDEY CELEBRITIES who he has spoken to through the podcast and website (Stan Lee, Josh Keaton etc). Some of them even keep in touch with him and I’m not talking about BS facebook friend stuff, ACTUALLY keeping in touch with him.
At the end of the day we’ve had Marvel contact us to send us promotional material to review because THEY LIKED THE FRONT PAGE REVIEWS.
Shall I go on? Should I?
Any other site able to claim this?
They can call us negative if they want. To borrow a line from middle school, “You’re just jealous”
Well said, Brad. I’m sorry for saying it was a bit low when I didn’t even know the full story.
In all honesty, I’ve gone back and forth on this myself. I initially found the banner hilarious, mainly due to the funny look on DS’s face. After a night’s sleep, I will say I agree it is somewhat going towards his level in terms of keeping on with it. Was Brad being unfair in making the banner? Not at all, because 1. It’s his site, 2. Slott had it coming after all he’s said about the site and 3. A lesser man would have had more fun with photoshop and made the banner worse. I don’t believe there’s a person on this site who wouldn’t feel compelled to respond to personal attacks, especially when they have the stress of a baby on the way.
At the same time, it would have been more ideal to continue to ignore it. I think anyway. But again, in Brad’s defense he’s addressed the people’s feelings over it upfront. You can disagree with what has happened in the past, but give respect where respect is due to our webmaster.
All in all, I’m happy he chose the new banner I suggested 😉
Oh, disregard that then, I loitered and then Farmernudie posted before I did 😉
Um.. not to butt in.. but can someone explain to me what the whole “farmernudie” situation is, si vous plait? Was it that Slott said he was farmernudie but really wasn’t, or something?
Excellently worded Brad.
I really think the Crawlspace Admins all showed the utmost professionalism (and fairness) throughout the extended period you referred to.
I’m glad to be a part of this great site!
This whole thing, for me, obviously has been awkward, and weird, at best.
I am not Dan Slott. lol..feels odd to have to claim that!
Dan Slott did not PM at any time about this whole thing, and it was his joke, or point, or whatever it was to him, in a thread about people should be posting with their real names only. (which i don’t agree with and said there)
if they want their opinions to be considered with “conviction”.
Slott has apologized to me, and i accept it. However, it appears he also gives backhanded slams at myself, and other people, in those same apoligies, including this place, which is a bit sad he needed to slip those in there.
Regardless, this is a great site, full of many truly kind and great people. I am glad we can come here, be treated nicely, post our real thoughts, and again, thanks to those that took the time to actually PM me.
What I get from this whole thing is that it perfectly okay for Dan Slott to take pot shot and make fun of fans under the guise of “Defending” himself from “Personal attack”, but Brad and the Crawspace can’t. Yeah that sound about right. that was sarcasm by the way. As someone who has defended Slott and Brand New Day many time on the skype chat, and Brad along with others can back me up on that statement, Brad and the Crawlspace have just as much right to defend itself from negitive attack as Slott does. That called being fair.
Miles: When you start off a sentence with “I have to say BD that you went about this the wrong way by posting that image of Slott” that is a criticism. But none-the-less I agree his pot shots were childish and I played on that level with a zing right back at him. It’s up to you if you feel the site is negative or if I ruined the image of the site. Obviously some people feel that way and that’s their opinion and it won’t be censored here.
First of all I wasn’t critising you BD. Let’s just get that fact straight.
Secondly, I think that the CS is the best Spidey related message board on the internet. That’s another fact we should get straight.
However, I think these pot-shots were childish and made the site look almost as bad as Dan Slott. It does nothing good for the boards reputation and has caused some people to leave (such as Poddigton and one or two other people that I know of).
Poddington: Have we ever talked before? Anyway nice to meet you, oh wait you…left. So you probably won’t read this. I was going to ask you to give direct quotes where the podcast crew has had personal attacks on the creators.
Miles: You conveniently left out the part where Slott called the debacle at CBR being “C-Spaced.” The image went up after that pot shot. Also the sheer fact that your criticism of me and the site are still left on the front page should show you how much I believe in the right for people to voice their two cents. If this had been on the CBR Spidey board Mets would have long deleted it.
i too left the message board a while ago because of the general negativity around the current Spider-man titles! and not long after that i stopped listening to the podcasts for the same reason. i still visit the site to see the daily headlines. i was tired of seeing people on the message boards and the hearing people on the podcast taking personal shots at the creative team! if you don’t like their work then criticise their work do not take personal shots at them! I’m all for intelligent debate about the pros and cons of the current spider-verse, but when I was on the forums that type of debate was few and far between!
i can see exactly why Dan Slott wouldn’t want to be on this site or have anything to do with it in the future! if someone was constantly insulting me and my work colleges then i would go near them or help them!
TBH i think this banner is a further personal insult to Dan Slott! no matter what he has said in the past or what ever arguments have taken place on the forums all this is doing is fuelling the fire! i don’t know if it is just a misguided mistake or it is intended to lengthen the arguments to gain some cheep publicity! ethier way i will not be visiting this site any more. i know my 2 visits a day doesn’t amount to much but it’s gotten silly now!
thank and good night
I have to say BD that you went about this the wrong way by posting that image of Slott. I knew Farmernudie was not Slott and some of the people on the forums over-reacted a bit during the situation. However, Slott apologised (and rightfully so) and the posters apologised to ‘nudie as well. That should have been the end of it. But then you put that image of Slott up.
The crawl space constantly gets new posters everyday so new people will keep on coming, despite what Slott and co. say about the site. However, imo, you putting that image with the tagline “Slott free message board” just proved, however temporary, that this site was “negative”.
Very Classy BD!
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
I think I’m going to take a short break from the internet for a while though!
It’s sad when customer opinions devolve into such arguments like this. =(
You guys are great! so don’t expect me to be gone for too long.
Excellent post Brad.