by jlredline » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:36 pm
by Donomark » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:23 pm
by Sarcasmic » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:42 pm
Donomark wrote:What would be best is for the ASM books to stop treating every single female character as the next potential proverbial Bond girl and develop an honest relationship with Peter before pushing the button on romance. The single, solitary character not to have that done is Glory Grant, for obvious reasons.
I know comic books are primarily a male power fantasy, but that's what keeps them juvenile. If the mindset behind the female characters' creation and inclusion would stop being primarily sexist, whatever romantic relationship that would follow would be all the more interesting. The reason why Mary Jane is so liked I think is because she and Peter had that platonic streak develop into a genuine love for each other. They were best friends, they loved each other's personality, and accepted the good and bad parts. That's not strictly something that's beholden to only two people. There can be relationships where Peter is up against Bella Swachfishbuckler-whatever, or Sanjani Pantytwist and have them be more important to character development without the "Will they, won't they?" factor. But that's too complex for this current regime.
by Phantom Roxas » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:41 pm
jiredline wrote:In addition, it might be best to diversify Peter's mutual relationship to no more than 6 female heroines because I don't think that any one person on the Spider-Man side should standout as a potential love interest.
jlredline wrote:The only reason why fans were hostile towards Carlie because the relationship never took its time to grow organically as a mutual relationship first.
by jlredline » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:04 am
Phantom Roxas wrote:Yes they should, as Spider-Man has such a diverse supporting cast that it would be best to take advantage of it.
I don't care for Black Cat. She's sexy, but that's all she has going for her that interests me. I was unaware of any tension between Peter and Psylocke, to which I have to shake my head at. Just leave Psylocke's romantic tension to Uncanny X-Forcce. I'm interested in learning about Ms. Marvel, and considering her membership on the New Avengers and July's issue of Avenging Spider-Man, there is potential to be explored, but like Psylocke, leave her love life to her own book when it launches. Spider-Woman is Carol's best friend, and there was discussion on that point in a previous thread, which I believe you started. Since She-Hulk is appearing in Avenging soon, my thoughts are the same as for Carol. Silver Sable is another supporting character in Spider-Man's cast, but we'll see where she's left off by the time Ends of the Earth is over.jlredline wrote:The only reason why fans were hostile towards Carlie because the relationship never took its time to grow organically as a mutual relationship first.
No, people were hostile because they hated how much of an annoying Mary Sue she was, and having everyone insist that she was perfect for Peter was just salt in the wound, especially since I read that Felicia was supporting the relationship. Are you kidding me? I maintain the idea that Carly is a succubus created by Mephisto.
Just let Slott's run end and have someone else take over.
by Phantom Roxas » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:46 am
by Enigma_2099 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:28 am
by jlredline » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:17 pm
Phantom Roxas wrote:So Spider-Man and Psylocke have never even met? The why bring her up? Even more jarring is that if they haven't, then it would be a retcon to say that they have. Granted, retcons are common in comics, but still. They might encounter each other over the course of AvX, but VS has them fighting other characters. Do you really think that bringing Spider-Man into the X-books would be best done by mentioning they're mutual friendships with Captain Britain? Why not take advantage of the fact that both Spider-Man and Wolverine are members of the New Avengers? Wolverine has something that needs to be done, but requires the help of both the New Avengers and the X-Force to take care of it. Spider-Man and Psylocke can then chat during the resulting crossover.
Enigma_2099 wrote:Here we go again...
... yes, I'm talking to YOU, jlredline.
by jlredline » Sat May 26, 2012 12:10 am
by Enigma_2099 » Tue May 29, 2012 10:44 pm
jlredline wrote:Here is a clip on Spider-Man: Web of Shadows, where The Black Widow plays a role in the story. Fast forward the clip to 4:40 because that's the start of Spider-Man's interaction with The Black Widow:
And to think that Silver Sable acts exactly like the Black Widow at times also.
by jlredline » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:04 am
by Constantine » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:29 pm
jlredline wrote:Here is a link that some of you might find interesting:
http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_ ... tml#cutid1
by jlredline » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:04 am
Constantine wrote:jlredline wrote:Here is a link that some of you might find interesting:
http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_ ... tml#cutid1
I remember that one. They even kissed during that arc, though once BW got her memory back they realized there wasn't really anything between them.
by MacGyver » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:36 am
by jlredline » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:09 am
MacGyver wrote:Is there anyone in the Marvel Universe who hasn't had a "mutual relationship" with Black Widow?
Furthermore...anyone brave enough to handle She Hulk...more power to you. I remember this poster hanging up in my LCS back in th 90's...and all the nerds flocking to it with that open-mouth gape that Indiana Jones had when he first set eyes on the Arc of the Covenant. I think the not so subtle symbolism Jusko was expressing is, "No man can handle a 'mutual relationship' with the She-Hulk."
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