Anti-OMD/BND = Delta House (Where the Sexy Lives)

[Enigma_2099]

Abdul, we love ya buddy, but I gotta bust ya balls a little more... did you actually point out that the Peter/MJ marriage was an editorial mandate, while not understanding why everyone dislikes the FORCED editorial mandate?

The marriage was the result of story progression in the books, and became accepted by the fans. Carlie Cooper was the result of Quesada's whims. NOT natural story progression.

[Mr. Noodle]

Pardon this weird analogy -- but last Sunday's ep of Downton Abbey illustrated what "forced editorial mandate" looks like. Lord Grantham's wife treated Grantham badly, so that Garntham would start a brief affair with a housemaid, so that his wife's near-death from Spanish flu would "mean" something to him -- even though his wife's annoying actions were trivial, and Grantham's character has been a tower of honor from the start. The male lead Matthew kissed his old flame Mary, so that the fiancee' Livinia would see it and then choose to give in to the Spanish flu, so that the male lead could feel tormented with guilt by her death -- even though the male lead has just adamantly rejected a recommendation from a respected member of the family that he toss Livinia over. The male lead was also depicted as physically crippled and impotent from a war injury -- until Mary nearly fell from a ladder or something, at which point he miraculously leapt to his feet, cured. It turned out his spine was only "bruised." It was more like As The World Turns than the historical drama it started out to be.

And -- I kid you not -- about a third of the way through all this, I thought for a moment about OMD and Dan Slott. Nothing that happened in that ep of DA flowed naturally out of what the characters had already been established as thinking, feeling, or valuing. They just went through histrionic contortions in order to force melodramatic plot points to happen.

That is editorial mandate.

[Enigma_2099]

Pardon this weird analogy -- but last Sunday's ep of Downton Abbey illustrated what "forced editorial mandate" looks like. Lord Grantham's wife treated Grantham badly, so that Garntham would start a brief affair with a housemaid, so that his wife's near-death from Spanish flu would "mean" something to him -- even though his wife's annoying actions were trivial, and Grantham's character has been a tower of honor from the start. The male lead Matthew kissed his old flame Mary, so that the fiancee' Livinia would see it and then choose to give in to the Spanish flu, so that the male lead could feel tormented with guilt by her death -- even though the male lead has just adamantly rejected a recommendation from a respected member of the family that he toss Livinia over. The male lead was also depicted as physically crippled and impotent from a war injury -- until Mary nearly fell from a ladder or something, at which point he miraculously leapt to his feet, cured. It turned out his spine was only "bruised." It was more like As The World Turns than the historical drama it started out to be.

And -- I kid you not -- about a third of the way through all this, I thought for a moment about OMD and Dan Slott. Nothing that happened in that ep of DA flowed naturally out of what the characters had already been established as thinking, feeling, or valuing. They just went through histrionic contortions in order to force melodramatic plot points to happen.

That is editorial mandate.

... and your point is?

[Spider-Dad]

Pardon this weird analogy -- but last Sunday's ep of Downton Abbey illustrated what "forced editorial mandate" looks like. Lord Grantham's wife treated Grantham badly, so that Garntham would start a brief affair with a housemaid, so that his wife's near-death from Spanish flu would "mean" something to him -- even though his wife's annoying actions were trivial, and Grantham's character has been a tower of honor from the start. The male lead Matthew kissed his old flame Mary, so that the fiancee' Livinia would see it and then choose to give in to the Spanish flu, so that the male lead could feel tormented with guilt by her death -- even though the male lead has just adamantly rejected a recommendation from a respected member of the family that he toss Livinia over. The male lead was also depicted as physically crippled and impotent from a war injury -- until Mary nearly fell from a ladder or something, at which point he miraculously leapt to his feet, cured. It turned out his spine was only "bruised." It was more like As The World Turns than the historical drama it started out to be.

And -- I kid you not -- about a third of the way through all this, I thought for a moment about OMD and Dan Slott. Nothing that happened in that ep of DA flowed naturally out of what the characters had already been established as thinking, feeling, or valuing. They just went through histrionic contortions in order to force melodramatic plot points to happen.

That is editorial mandate.

My wife watches this show, so perhaps she knows what you are talking about. Me, not so much...

[Mr. Noodle]

Whoever is the writer of this program decided that they needed more Dra-Ma. So he had the characters do things that were abrupt, and generally inconsistent for those particular characters to do, because someone decided that Dramatic Thing "A" needed to happen.

[CloneSaga]

I loved both seasons of Downton, but I also felt lord Grantham was a bit out of characer with his maid. It didn't spoil the drama for me:-)

[dornwolf]

Whoever is the writer of this program decided that they needed more Dra-Ma. So he had the characters do things that were abrupt, and generally inconsistent for those particular characters to do, because someone decided that Dramatic Thing "A" needed to happen.

I see where he's going with this, it's way more obvious and the chief cause of TV shows getting cancelled when PRODUCERS start dicktaing stories and changes.

[Mr. Noodle]

Contrived, abrupt, artificial Dra Ma character-behavior of that episode of Downton Abbey = contrived, abrupt, artificial Dra-Ma character-behavior in ASM.

[Spider-Dad]

Whoever is the writer of this program decided that they needed more Dra-Ma. So he had the characters do things that were abrupt, and generally inconsistent for those particular characters to do, because someone decided that Dramatic Thing "A" needed to happen.

My gripe with this show is they all talk funny, like they are all from England. Plus all this time I thought it was "Downtown" instead of "Downton"...which to me Downtown Abbey sounded like a good name for a pub.

[Enigma_2099]

Contrived, abrupt, artificial Dra Ma character-behavior of that episode of Downton Abbey = contrived, abrupt, artificial Dra-Ma character-behavior in ASM.

You describing OMD Pete and MJ or one of those love triangles from ASM Classics podcast?

[Mr. Noodle]

I'm describing examples of Bad Writing, no matter where it crops up!

[Stuart Green]

2/20/2012


Hey, guys,
Sorry I've been gone so long, I had some log in problems with this site because of my computer but that's since been fixed. I've also put up a new petition to save Spider-Man's marriage with a much shorter time limit (this petition ends January 2013). Here's the link, which is also in my signature:

http://www.change.org/petitions/marvel-comics-the-walt-disney-company-please-bring-back-spider-mans-marriage-to-mary-jane#

Why did I create another petition, you ask? I was told by a friend that the website I put this one up on, change.org, had gotten some success with having their petitions happen and I wanted to see if it'll work for restoring Spidey's marriage too. After reading what's been going on in the books lately and reading the May solicits, as well as learning "Parallel Lives" gets reprinted in May, it made me miss Spidey's marriage even more -- if that's even possible.

I've also recently learned how to make manip images and will be making some for Crawl Space and Delta House in the near future, so keep an eye out for those. I'm truly sorry for not having been more active on the Crawl Space lately, but I promise you, now that my computer problems are solved, I'll be on CS a lot more.

Have a great day, everyone!


Glad to be back,
Stuart Green

[Aziz]

That's cool, nice to have you back Stu

[FSUSpiderFan]

Welcome back!

[Stuart Green]

2/21/2012


Thanks for the welcome back comments, you guys. I really appreciate it. I also wanted to show you guys my idea for a Crawl Space MB pic:


Also, if anyone would like to sign the new petition and, better yet, help spread the word, I made an image for the cause to restore the Spider-Marriage:


I'll be making another pic later tonight for the link and I'll put up some more Crawl Space image ideas in the future, in case anyone's interested. Have a good night, everybody!


Thanks for reading,
Stuart Green