Friendly Fire Fight Club #240 - 'Reckoning of the RING!'

[Two-Bit Specialist]

It also occurs to me that this is the earliest instance of "Avengers vs. X-Men," maybe?

[FSUSpiderFan]

Not sure who wins this but Liberty City is toast!

[Berserkfury819]

Sauron is a mair, an angelic being. Thor is an actual god. Gods trump angels. Also, Sauron lost to fucking Rita Repulsa. I think Thor is safe.

[gregxb]

Also, Sauron lost to fucking Rita Repulsa.

Hey, hey, hey!

Now you and I both know that was bullshit!

[Thrawn]

Hmm... I'd like to think that Sauron equipped with the One Ring can overpower Thor... but if he can so easily lose it or have it wrestled away from him (especially when it happened against just a Man like Isildur) then I think Thor takes this.

Nothing says that he has to be actually wearing the One Ring for this fight though. Only that he is in possession of it. The Second Age Sauron that Gregxb chose surrendered himself to the Numenorean kings.

Toward the end of the Second Age, Ar-Pharazôn, the last and most powerful of the Númenórean kings, came to Middle-earth with a large army. Sauron, realizing he could not defeat the Númenóreans with military strength, surrendered. Clad in a beautiful incarnation, he came to Ar-Pharazôn's camp to swear allegiance to the king, and allowed himself to be taken as a prisoner to Númenor.

It's ambiguous in the published writings whether or not Sauron actually took the One Ring with him to Numenor. Tolkien wrote letters afterwords stating that he did take the One Ring with him, but they're not part of the published stories themselves.

Also, Sauron lost to fucking Rita Repulsa.

Hey, hey, hey!

Now you and I both know that was bullshit!

On a related note, I came across this on youtube and thought you guys would enjoy it:



Yes, it was. George was right, it was controversial.

[AlgeaX]

Welcome to Crawl Space and the Fight Club, AlgeaX!

Cheers!

Sauron is a mair, an angelic being. Thor is an actual god. Gods trump angels. Also, Sauron lost to fucking Rita Repulsa. I think Thor is safe.

By who's definition? Lots of beings get labelled as "gods" in the Marvel Universe, from cosmos devouring horrors like Shuma-Gorath and the Dread Dormammu to guys like Volstagg. In the context of the MU the term "god" is more like a job description than any reliable indication of power. Heck, Thor himself has had his ass handed to him by decidedly non-divine enemies like Neferia, Ultron and the Hulk, over the years.


In terms of power, the Valar and the Maiar are at least on par with Marvel's Asgardians or most any other pantheon. The Silmarillion speaks of them helping Ilúvatar sing the universe into existence. They were also responsible for physically shaping the raw material of the Earth into a habitable world.

And the Valar drew unto them many companions, some less, some well nigh as great as themselves, and they laboured together in the ordering of the Earth and the curbing of its tumults.

Their early battles with Melkor are also described in fairly apocalyptic terms, casting down mountains and the like. In fact, the main reason the Valar were so reluctant to combat Melkor directly for most of the First Age was the fear that an all out war between him and them would render Middle-Earth uninhabitable.

The only real reason none of the (non-evil) Valar and Maiar claim godhood is because they're all monotheists, being creations and servants of Ilúvatar, the supreme creator deity of Tolkien's cosmology. If the Valar can be considered equivalent to Marvel's Asgardians then Ilúvatar is more akin to a high end cosmic entity like Eternity or The Living Tribunal.

Also keep in mind that Sauron was among the most powerful of the Maiar, if not THE most powerful. And that was BEFORE he created the One Ring which greatly enhanced his natural abilities.

[Thrawn]

Their early battles with Melkor are also described in fairly apocalyptic terms, casting down mountains and the like. In fact, the main reason the Valar were so reluctant to combat Melkor directly for most of the First Age was the fear that an all out war between him and them would render Middle-Earth uninhabitable.

Yeah. Destroying lands, oceans, mountains and such. I love the Silmarillion.

The only real reason none of the (non-evil) Valar and Maiar claim godhood is because they're all monotheists, being creations and servants of Ilúvatar, the supreme creator deity of Tolkien's cosmology. If the Valar can be considered equivalent to Marvel's Asgardians then Ilúvatar is more akin to a high end cosmic entity like Eternity or The Living Tribunal.

Also keep in mind that Sauron was among the most powerful of the Maiar, if not THE most powerful. And that was BEFORE he created the One Ring which greatly enhanced his natural abilities.

I'm liking you a lot dude. I hope you decide to become a regular around Fight Club.

And if you have not already done so, check out the thread right below this one. The Witch-King is battling it out with Dracula. You can still vote if you hurry! http://spidermancrawlspace.com/wwwboard/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9058 And you might find this an interesting read as well. The very first fight of this season saw Gothmog vs the Witch-King. http://spidermancrawlspace.com/wwwboard/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8854

[AlgeaX]

I'm liking you a lot dude. I hope you decide to become a regular around Fight Club.

And if you have not already done so, check out the thread right below this one. The Witch-King is battling it out with Dracula. You can still vote if you hurry! http://spidermancrawlspace.com/wwwboard/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9058 And you might find this an interesting read as well. The very first fight of this season saw Gothmog vs the Witch-King. http://spidermancrawlspace.com/wwwboard/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8854

Cheers man, it's good to be here. I actually did check out the Dracula vs. Witch-King, but I don't really know enough about MU Drac to call it.

[AmFan15]

Now that my fight with Thrawn is over(...wonder how I lost that thing so badly...hmm... ) I finally have some time to look into this one.

...And DAMN.

I'm going to have to remember this fight come Award Time.

This really is an awesome match.
You guys should both be proud.

I really can't decide on my own...I guess I'll just sit down and start reading the comments!
...Be back later!

[AmFan15]

"Our third fight this weekend breaks the seal on that aging keg of 'Epic' we had in the back. The one we were saving for a rainy day. Now - it might rain blood."

Truer words hath never been spoken, Shang!

This is a truly epic match. It will be furious, intense, and each will fight until there is no fight left in them.
I really can't tell which one would win, honestly.

But gregxb has convinced me through his arguments.

(...And an assist from our new member, AlgaeX! Welcome!
Drop by The Official Introduce Yourself Thread, Delta House, or Zeta House and we'll oficially welcome you!)

Because of their arguments, I'm voting for Sauron...at least for now.
...That could change, though.

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(...wonder how I lost that thing so badly...hmm... )

The only real reason none of the (non-evil) Valar and Maiar claim godhood is because they're all monotheists, being creations and servants of Ilúvatar, the supreme creator deity of Tolkien's cosmology. If the Valar can be considered equivalent to Marvel's Asgardians then Ilúvatar is more akin to a high end cosmic entity like Eternity or The Living Tribunal.

Also keep in mind that Sauron was among the most powerful of the Maiar, if not THE most powerful. And that was BEFORE he created the One Ring which greatly enhanced his natural abilities.

I'm liking you a lot dude. I hope you decide to become a regular around Fight Club.

And if you have not already done so, check out the thread right below this one. The Witch-King is battling it out with Dracula. You can still vote if you hurry! http://spidermancrawlspace.com/wwwboard/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9058

WAITAMINIT!!!


GEORGE, LOOK WHAT THRAWN IS DOING!!!
He's swaying votes through LOTR geek-ery!

[Thrawn]

GEORGE, LOOK WHAT THRAWN IS DOING!!!
He's swaying votes through LOTR geek-ery!

Voters can't be trusted to do the right thing. They need constant direction.







And just because I like it, here's a great pic of Beren and Luthien fleeing Angband.

[gregxb]

It has been decided!



Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.

[AlgeaX]

YES! Midgard's mightiest champion has been crushed by the Dark Lord!

...

Wait... that's not good.

[Two-Bit Specialist]

This is probably the first time Thor has fallen in Fight Club.

[Thrawn]

Thor...lost? I don't believe it! Wow.

Congratulations Greg. That's an enormous accomplishment. Thor was undefeated in Fight Club, and not just Friendly Fire. He was also undefeated in the Marvel Fight Club, and the Marvel vs DC Fight Clubs as well.

Thor lost!

On the other hand, sorry you lost Berserk. There's always next time.





In two subsequent matches both the Dark Lord himself - Sauron - and his first lieutenant - the Witch-King of Angmar - were victorious. That's cool.