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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby stillanerd » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:12 pm

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stillanerd wrote:Also, we had Gwen Stacy has Peter's love interest in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon and is also going to be in the new Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, as well. Even after all this time that Gwen has been dead, she and Mary Jane are pretty much considered to be the Betty and Veronica to Peter Parker's Archie.

And let's not forget that next year, along with the new film, is Spider-Man's 50th anniversary. At the very least, it isn't hard to imagine that Gwen wouldn't pop up in the comics in some way, even if it was a flashback or untold story, for those reasons alone.


Is she? I didn't know that. The only one of the love interests I've heard about being in there was MJ, and that was because of the new trailer from D23.


Well, they list Colleen O'Shaughnessey as doing the voice for Gwen Stacy on the IMDb page for Ultimate Spider-Man. But then again, IMDb does tend to get details wrong prior to the official release or official confirmation.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby butters911 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:42 am

As much as I love Gwen bringing her back not only ruins a classic story, but robs Peter of one of his main motivations to continue to be Spider-Man
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby dornwolf » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:55 am

I'd say

Amazing = Clone

That original graphic novel that comes out just in time for the movie I beleive she'll have a heavy focus there.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby MacGyver » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:03 am

Gwen Stacy...YES they will bring her back.

Uncle Ben...YES they will bring him back.

Then...

Marvel will relaunch their entire universe so we can read stories like, "The Origin of Spider-Man" and "The Death of Gwen Stacy" for the "first" time.

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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby DarkKnightJared » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:43 am

butters911 wrote:As much as I love Gwen bringing her back not only ruins a classic story, but robs Peter of one of his main motivations to continue to be Spider-Man


I have to disagree with this. I think stuff A Death in the Family/Under the Red Hood and the original Bucky death/Winter Soldier did good jobs of bringing those characters while still keeping some of the tragedy aside. Granted, it did it by making them anti-heroes/villains, but still.

Also, I don't think Gwen's death is one of his main motivations--it's him being a good person who wants to help people.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby butters911 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:13 pm

DarkKnightJared wrote:
butters911 wrote:As much as I love Gwen bringing her back not only ruins a classic story, but robs Peter of one of his main motivations to continue to be Spider-Man


I have to disagree with this. I think stuff A Death in the Family/Under the Red Hood and the original Bucky death/Winter Soldier did good jobs of bringing those characters while still keeping some of the tragedy aside. Granted, it did it by making them anti-heroes/villains, but still.

Also, I don't think Gwen's death is one of his main motivations--it's him being a good person who wants to help people.


What i meant was it's one of the things, along with Uncle Ben's death, that drives him, and haunts him to this day. Those two deaths are prolly what he would consider his biggest failures.

With Gwen's neck snapping the way it did because of the webline, Peter feels guilty, like it's his fault, just like with Uncle Ben. Part of the reason he continues on as Spidey, even when things have gotten really tough, and over the years they have shown this, is he doesn't want to let Uncle Ben and Gwen down by quitting.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby FSUSpiderFan » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:10 pm

I wouldn't put it past em... They might have her come back and date Flash again just to drive Don nuts :wink:
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby Mr. Noodle » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:35 pm

I sure hope this doesn't happen. I was interested a few years ago in the idea of Gwen returning, but only if it came out of an excellent story -- not as a cheap device to sell movie tickets. I also believe that the current people in charge of Marvel would turn Gwen into some sort of vengeful slattern, or one of the undead, or who knows what (their tastes are so crass that I don't think there's any depth to which they couldn't potentially sink). Considering the way Slott has distorted Peter's personality, I shudder to think what he would do to Gwen. I don't believe the current Marvel PTB can write psychologically healthy, decent, or dignified female characters.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby NickMB » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:15 pm

As ever, I don't mind as long as there's a decent story in it. But Gwen wasn't actually that interesting a character alive, so they may as well leave her dead. There are plenty of other characters who can fulfill the "love interest" role. As with Uncle Ben, she's had a more meaningful role as a corpse.

I can see the argument in bringing back Harry, because although his death was a good story, he was also an interesting character, with lots of relationships within the Spiderverse that can be mined for stories and who was never really replaced successfully. So yes, I can see the appeal in having him around again. Bringing back Gwen doesn't seem to give them much that just introducing another love interest wouldn't do.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby DarkKnightJared » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:34 pm

NickMB wrote:As ever, I don't mind as long as there's a decent story in it. But Gwen wasn't actually that interesting a character alive, so they may as well leave her dead. There are plenty of other characters who can fulfill the "love interest" role. As with Uncle Ben, she's had a more meaningful role as a corpse.


I can agree to that...except--bringing her back from the grave, ditching Carlie, and putting MJ back in the field would be a creative way to bring in a modern version of that love triangle that so many people believed to be part of the characters' histories, but wasn't really that present in the comics of that era.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby Tabularasa » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:47 pm

The best thing they ever did with her character was kill her, so I really hope they don't bring her back. It worked for Bucky and Jason Todd, but Gwen Stacy was a love interest for Peter Parker. If they brought her back, that's all she would be. And if they gave her powers it would just fall all over itself. So...no thanks. Let's keep her dead.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby Ladyspider » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:26 pm

Tabularasa wrote:The best thing they ever did with her character was kill her, so I really hope they don't bring her back. It worked for Bucky and Jason Todd, but Gwen Stacy was a love interest for Peter Parker. If they brought her back, that's all she would be. And if they gave her powers it would just fall all over itself. So...no thanks. Let's keep her dead.

The main issue of bringing a character like Bucky, Jason Todd, or Gwen Stacy is that you have to have a plan passed just bringing them back. When Bucky was brought back Ed Burbaker had a plan of what he was going to do with the character. When Judd Winick brought back Jason, either he didn't have a plan pass just bringing him back or he was just far to busy to write the character properly. Jason became an annoyance once he was brought back because he kept popping up in crossovers like Green Arrow, countdown and Nightwing where he was written poorly. In my opinion Jason should have either been left alone for Winick to write him as a Punisher light character or rehabilitated and made into a member of the bat family.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby J.Garrett » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:35 pm

They'd be better off trying to give the other female characters some actual characterization. If she did come back, she would be written completely wrong, and only share the name. I'd like to believe her death means too much to the character of Peter, and undoing it takes too much away....but these are the same guys who wiped the motivation out of Norman and Venom.......so go figure.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby Funnykay » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:06 am

I want to say it won't happen, if only because there are enough subistitutes such as clone's and the bastard children of Norman and Gwen, however, Kraven was better dead then alive (as most will testify) and they brought him back despite his numerous children. Simply can't say.
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Re: Gwen Stacy resurrection oddsmaking thread

Postby Sentaiwarrior » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:32 pm

I agree that there's no point bringing Gwen back. To paraphrase Sam Raimi on why he opted for Mary Jane instead of Gwen - Peter and Gwen's relationship was boring and she only became important after her death.

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Bearing in mind what has happened over the last four years, I can actually see Marvel bringing Gwen back. It'll be what all those new readers who aren't buying Amazing Spider-Man yet REALLY want!!! They're waiting for Gwen's return and her reunion with Peter!!! Next year's event!!! Carlie is revealed to be Gwen!!!
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