Friendly Fire Fight Club #143 - 'MAULED ESPA!'

[George Berryman]

"Greetings, my friends, and hello from the stars. My name is Lando, and that's all you need to know. I've been from one end of the galaxy to the other, babies, emptying credit accounts and breaking hearts all the way. Bruce Lee's on a vacation while yours truly takes you through Friendly Fire's Final Frontiers event. Smoother than a twi'lek's lekku, and that's no hustle.

"Last season CrazyChris once declared that he viewed George Berryman as a "final boss" that one works their way towards. Hearing that, George Berryman then decided the "final boss" would seek out CrazyChris. CrazyChris went on to have the second best overall record last season and went into the Douglas Classic playoffs. Despite that he's sat on the sidelines so far in season two.

"But no more. Earlier this week CrazyChris challenged George Berryamn, who gladly accepted. George decided to, in his words, "kick it up a notch" for CrazyChris's return to the ring. And he wasn't lyin'. As his champion, George picked one of Japan's famous giant monsters - daikaiju as they are called - and he went all-in, picking the biggest and baddest of them all... Godzilla's arch nemesis, KING GHIDORAH!"



"Such a mighty pick would be hard to counter, especially working under the Final Frontiers parameters. CrazyChris decided upon a mighty robot from the stars, with the heart of a lion. VOLTRON!"



"In what will surely be a complete flattener for any locale unlucky enough to see this kind of action, let's see what city gets cursed. George Berryman has selected Mos Espa as tonight's fight venue!"



"Home of the Boonta Eve Classic podrace, Mos Espa is one of the larger cities on Tatooine. Or was. There won't be much left of it later I'm afraid."

"King of the Space Monsters against a Giant Robotic Defender! Those are your choices! Who wins? Who loses? You'll have to tell me later because I don't want to be around when this one goes down! Later, suckers!"

[George Berryman]

I want to be the first to welcome CrazyChris back to the Fight Club fold here in season two. I consider it an honor that I get to be his first fight. That being said this is going to be next to impossible for the giant robot to prevail here.

First off, let's get into the size difference. In daikaiju, size is power. And the Keizer Ghidorah is the largest and the most powerful ever seen before Toho shelved Godzilla after 2004's Godzilla: Final Wars. How big? He's 150 meters (that's close to 500 feet to you and me) and weighs in at a scale-shattering 100,000 tons. Compare that to Voltron, who stands at 60 meters (almost 200 feet) and weighs in at about 771 tons. This is a substantial and extreme margin, even for Voltron who is used to fighting large robeasts.

That's a height advantage of 2.5x and a weight advantage of over 129x.

That's a mighty big mountain to climb. Even before the Toho Millenium Godzilla films, Godzilla - routinely - had to have help facing Ghidorah. In Destroy All Monsters, for example, it took the combined might all every giant monster on Monster Island to finally take Ghidorah down. Many times it takes a combination of at least two - sometimes three - of Godzilla, Rodan and/or Mothra to take down Ghidorah.

See that crumpled mass of ridges near Ghidorah's feet on his fight card? Yeah that's the Final Wars Godzilla - the biggest and baddest Godzilla to date.

This particular Ghidorah was brought to Earth by an invading race of aliens (the Xiliens) in an asteroid. It emerged first as Monster X, then transformed into the Keizer Ghidorah to really lay the smack down on Godzilla. So how did it lay said smack down?

Keizer Ghidorah's main attack are 'gravity bolts' fired out of the mouths of his three heads. The bolts alone are highly damaging but when unified together they create a massive telekinetic attack that quite literally throws a 100 meters tall Godzilla around like an old sock and completely overwhelms him - he's even able to direct the beams to determine where Godzilla gets thrown and uses that to throw him into buildings and even make buildings topple down on top of him. Using the gravity bolts to subdue Godzilla, Ghidorah then proceeded to bring his not-at-all dainty 100,000 ton frame down on top of Godzilla, again and again. And again.

Keizer Ghidorah's secondary power is a lifedrain ability that almost killed Godzilla and would have if humans hadn't intervened, channeling powerful alien energy into Godzilla to save him and give him, in essence, enough of a 'power up' to defeat Ghidorah. Before that 'power up' Godzilla's devastating atomic blasts were no match for Ghidorah. However, the lifeforce inside Voltron amounts to little more than a snack.

Voltron brings a slew of offensive weapons to this fight, and they're very capable of taking down monsters. Well - smaller baby monsters compared to Keizer Ghidorah. Don't get me wrong, I give Godzilla considerable props at fighting robeasts. But Keizer Ghidorah is far - very far - from a robeast. He's more massive, more powerful, stronger and more durable than any robeast Voltron's ever faced. The size of Voltron's weapons are also a factor here. Voltron's only 60 meters tall - how long's his sword? How much damage is it really going to do against a space dragon who laughs off Godzilla's breath attacks and throws the King of the Monsters about like a leaf on the wind? Voltron's sword is like the plastic cocktail sword that Ghidorah's mega-shrimp appetizer's skewered on.

How close does Voltron even get to Ghidorah considering the gravity attack? Not very, sez I. At the very most Voltron's attacks are just going to piss the far larger and far more powerful Ghidora off and make him jump on Voltron's defeated form many more times.

The extreme size advantage, coupled with devastating gravity bolt attacks that also throw an enemy around and keep the foe off their feet and at a distance... the raw physical power... it's going to be too much for Voltron to contend with. Perhaps if he had back up from the other Voltron and maybe two or three Ultramen, but not one on one.

Here's a handy YouTube video of precisely what Keizer Ghidorah does to an opponent. See that defeated, crumpled husk getting thrown around like a nerf football? Yeah, that's the Final Wars Godzilla - the biggest & baddest Godzilla out there. Consider what that attack would do to a far smaller Voltron.

[CrazyChris]

I prepared a statement going into this fight so I could get a meaty argument out there right off the bat. I'll post that and then I'll move on to responding to George's post.


Voltron is fighting a celestial monster poised to destroy humanity. It must be Tuesday. Heh.

Keizer Ghidorah has an interesting set of powers and might have posed a grave threat to the Earth if he hadn't been put down within 20 minutes of crawling out of his rock, but Voltron is the defender of the UNIVERSE. He has been slaying space monsters imbued with untold magic for eons. Voltron helped institute UNIVERSAL PEACE (forget world peace, heh!) performing this function. Killing a three-headed space dragon is squarely in his comfort zone.

Keizer Ghidorah was defeated very quickly after Godzilla was imbued with some strange mystical energy. It must be noted that this energy wasn't the minimum level of power needed to kill Ghidorah, but rather a power far in excess of what it would really take to do the job. I know this because once Godzilla had this power he was able to rip Ghidorah's heads off effortlessly and blow up his body. It was like shooting a flea with a bazooka and Keizer Ghidorah was the flea. Obviously, Ghidorah could have been killed with much less energy. HOWEVER, I actually think Voltron isn't far off from the super-charged Godzilla in any event. Voltron, too, is imbued with mystical energy, being a self-aware machine created through both science and sorcery acting as one. Voltron is charged with vast, crackling power that sometimes manifests as dozens of lightening bolts streaming out of his body. Voltron has more than enough power to get this job done.

I just watched a few episodes to remind myself of Voltron's power levels. I mean, damn! In one episode (I think it was episode 51 or 52), Voltron is fighting a castles with several laser beams from it. It is specified that each laser hits with a megaton of force, or a million metric tons (each metric ton is slightly more than a US ton). Since a megaton is a unit of mass, not force, it is practically certain that they mean the force equivalent of an exploding megaton of TNT, which is the unit that the yield of nuclear weapons is measured in (that's definitely what people watching a cold-war era cartoon would understand a "megaton" to mean). The nuclear weapons developed during the cold war could yield about 25-50 megatons. So basically what I am saying is that each of these lasers hit with the force of about 1/50, conservatively speaking, of a nuclear bomb. At one point in the fight, Voltron was immobilized by constricting machines and bombarded with dozens of these laser shots per second for a sustained period of several seconds. Voltron was nearly destroyed, but he wasn't. In other words, Voltron can take what adds up to the equivalent force of several nuclear warheads straight in the face and not be destroyed. Compare that to Godzilla's "atomic" ray and Ghidorah's gravity bolts, which were only shown to destroy a couple of skyscrapers at a time. That isn't anywhere near the concentrated nuclear holocaust it would take to even scratch Voltron.

Voltron has Ghidorah beaten on speed as well. Though he had wings, we never say Keizer Ghidorah fly (except when Godzilla threw him). Assuming he's roughly on par with King Ghidorah, he can perhaps fly at Mach 3. That's nice, but Voltron can fly at least at Mach 10 (that was specifically stated out loud in an episode) and is a lot more nimble than the lumbering beast that is Ghidorah. Voltron will be flying circles around this beast, weaving in and out of its attacks before delivering the finishing blow.

Voltron has the offensive capabilities he needs, too. He can fly straight through capital ships like they are clouds, tearing their space-proof metal hulls like damp tissue paper. His sword has cut clean through more monsters than one can adequately count. These monsters are part machine, part magic, and were sent to eradicate all life on planets. Yet Voltron is always able to come out on top. Voltron also has lasers, missiles, elemental breath weapons that blast forth from each of his heads, and a freeze ray, among other things. He's going to be unloading an arsenal on Ghidorah. Maybe Ghidorah can withstand it all (even though fleets of starships could not), but he is not going to be withstanding the Blazing Sword. The sword kills every single time and Voltron has plenty of practice killing space monsters with it.

Voltron can also specifically counter everything Ghidorah can throw at him. Ghidorah's primary weapon is his gravity bolts, which he used like tractor beams to pick up Godzilla and throw him around the city. But think about it. What threat is "gravity" to Voltron? Voltron regularly escapes the gravitational pulls of entire planets with all the effort of a ballerina jumping on a trampoline. In my research, I came across an episode called "The Captive Comet," where Voltron is pulled onto a comet that is compared to a moving black hole. Voltron is pulled onto the comet's surface. Voltron briefly lifts off but is pulled back down. In other words, it takes BLACK HOLE amounts of gravitational force to BARELY hold Voltron. Beams that we've only seen float Godzilla around are just not going to cut it.

Ghidorah's other main power is draining "life force" with his bite. Even though Voltron is a magical robot with some form of sentience, I think it's a huge stretch to say he has a "life force" to drain given that he's a machine that requires pilots to move around. At the end of the day, Voltron is an inanimate object without his pilots, so any "life force" there is to drain would be that of his pilots, not that of Voltron himself. Fortunately for Voltron, the pilots are nestled safely inside Voltron's near indestructible armor, where Ghidorah's teeth are not going to be able to reach them. But we're getting ahead of ourselves. In order to bite Voltron in the first place, Ghidorah will have to catch him. As I've already discussed, Voltron is too fast and maneuverable for a lumbering beast to catch him.

I mean, seriously. We've only seen this particular version of Ghidorah in action for 20 minutes, less if you only count the time he spends in his more powerful three-headed form. Voltron, on the other hand, has starred in 50+ episodes where he's done nothing but tear giant, uber-powerful monsters apart limb from limb. In the consciousness of popular culture, everyone knows that Voltron is the 'bot who goes into space to fight monsters and wins. Keizer Ghidorah, however, will only ever be known as the beast that *almost* beat Godzilla.

We've never seen Keizer Ghidorah walk away from a battle alive. FACT.

[CrazyChris]

First off, let's get into the size difference. In daikaiju, size is power. And the Keizer Ghidorah is the largest and the most powerful ever seen before Toho shelved Godzilla after 2004's Godzilla: Final Wars. How big? He's 150 meters (that's close to 500 feet to you and me) and weighs in at a scale-shattering 100,000 tons. Compare that to Voltron, who stands at 60 meters (almost 200 feet) and weighs in at about 771 tons. This is a substantial and extreme margin, even for Voltron who is used to fighting large robeasts.

Size may be power when it's a battle of two lumbering, brutish reptiles bumping into each other like sumo wrestlers, but when you're fighting an agile, fast robot guided by skilled human pilots it does not pay to be the larger target. Ghidorah's heads will be flailing around trying to grab onto a target less than a hundredth of his weight while Voltron is nimbly carving him to pieces. Voltron is known to fly straight through enemies several times his size, penetrating with his sword. The size disparity will slow Ghidorah down and make Voltron more difficult to hit.

That's a mighty big mountain to climb. Even before the Toho Millenium Godzilla films, Godzilla - routinely - had to have help facing Ghidorah. In Destroy All Monsters, for example, it took the combined might all every giant monster on Monster Island to finally take Ghidorah down. Many times it takes a combination of at least two - sometimes three - of Godzilla, Rodan and/or Mothra to take down Ghidorah.

You chose the Final Wars version, not the Destroy all Monsters version, but nevertheless Voltron has taken on multiple giant monsters as well. The only difference is that Voltron wins and Ghidorah repeatedly gets taken down.

Keizer Ghidorah's main attack are 'gravity bolts' fired out of the mouths of his three heads. The bolts alone are highly damaging but when unified together they create a massive telekinetic attack that quite literally throws a 100 meters tall Godzilla around like an old sock and completely overwhelms him - he's even able to direct the beams to determine where Godzilla gets thrown and uses that to throw him into buildings and even make buildings topple down on top of him. Using the gravity bolts to subdue Godzilla, Ghidorah then proceeded to bring his not-at-all dainty 100,000 ton frame down on top of Godzilla, again and again. And again.

As I've stated, it takes Black Hole level gravity power to get a hold on Voltron. Voltron can escape the gravitational fields of planets, remember, and he doesn't appear to even use rocket thrusters to do it. 100,000 tons? Ha! Voltron has been blasted with rays that were stated in the show to carry the force of megatons (over 1 million metric tonnes, more in US tons) and it took several of those blasts coming at once to even strain him.

Keizer Ghidorah's secondary power is a lifedrain ability that almost killed Godzilla and would have if humans hadn't intervened, channeling powerful alien energy into Godzilla to save him and give him, in essence, enough of a 'power up' to defeat Ghidorah. Before that 'power up' Godzilla's devastating atomic blasts were no match for Ghidorah. However, the lifeforce inside Voltron amounts to little more than a snack.

Voltron may not even have a life force that Ghidorah can drain, the pilots are protected inside Voltron, and even if we speculate that this attack would have any effect on Voltron whatsoever Ghidorah would still have to catch a smaller, more agile, and faster foe to use the attack. And if Voltron DOES get caught and the life force drain DOES work on him (we are getting REALLY speculative now), then he has many more means to fight back than Godzilla did. Each of Voltron's four limbs has a powerful biting head on it. Ghidorah only has three heads, so he can at most pin three of Voltron's limbs at once. No matter what, Voltron is going to have a free limb to fight back with that's going to do a lot more damage than Godzilla's stubby arms and legs and awkwardly-positioned tail could do. With that arm, Voltron can unleash his breath weapons and missiles or just gauge Ghidorah's eyes out with his teeth. It takes time for Ghidorah to drain energy and Voltron could use that window to break free. Voltron has been pinned by monsters before and he always finds a way out of it. And yet, I hesitate to even dignify the possibility that Voltron would even get pinned in the first place because it is way too unlikely that this attack would work or that Ghidorah is fast enough to execute it.

Voltron brings a slew of offensive weapons to this fight, and they're very capable of taking down monsters. Well - smaller baby monsters compared to Keizer Ghidorah. Don't get me wrong, I give Godzilla considerable props at fighting robeasts. But Keizer Ghidorah is far - very far - from a robeast. He's more massive, more powerful, stronger and more durable than any robeast Voltron's ever faced. The size of Voltron's weapons are also a factor here. Voltron's only 60 meters tall - how long's his sword? How much damage is it really going to do against a space dragon who laughs off Godzilla's breath attacks and throws the King of the Monsters about like a leaf on the wind? Voltron's sword is like the plastic cocktail sword that Ghidorah's mega-shrimp appetizer's skewered on.

Dude, Voltron's sword is almost as tall as Voltron is (see here: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Nqhc4GQUQ3Q/T ... oltron.jpg). Let's conservatively estimate that it is 40 meters long. That's still almost over a quarter of Ghidorah's height. That's like a 1.5 foot long blade compared to a 6 foot human, more than enough to do lethal damage and then some. And considering that the only thing Voltron has to cut through is Ghidorah's necks, which are in no way over 40 meters thick, Voltron's sword is absolutely large enough to decapitate Ghidorah.

[George Berryman]

Not quite sure how much 'agility' (as it applies to a giant robot at any rate) comes into play here when Ghidorah's blasts have a wide area they hit. They're scrambled beams, not uni-directional. When you watch that video they're arcing all over the place in a wide field. If Voltron tries to jump straight at him with his tiny sword he's going to get picked up with gravity bolts and thrown around Mos Espa like a toy action figure. I also don't recall Voltron "flying."

I only referenced Destroy All Monsters as a history of what Gidorah represents in Daikaiju - that it takes more than one superpowered opponent most of the time to bring him down. The same applies in Final Wars; Godzilla would have lost if humans hadn't directed alien energies direactly into his spine to give him a 'power up.' Where are the humans with alien energies to do that to Voltron in this fight? Where are the other opponents for backup?

When all three of those gravity bolts hit it becomes a telekinetic attack, not just gravitational. And if it's capable of tossing around Godzilla it's going to tear Voltron right apart. And I don't mean apart as in 'four lions.' I mean apart as in a piece here, a piece there, a human arm under this panel, a head implaed on rebar nearby...

As for the lifeforce drain there's only what, a gang of humans inside? If Voltron's armor gets breached it'll be over even faster cause it'd take about half a second to drain several humans. When Ghidorah commences that attack it's done through a powerful bite - a bite strong enough to lift Godzilla. Would you have us believe that Voltron's body is actually harder than Godzilla's dense muscle and thick skin, or that it would resist the pressure of a bite powerful enough to lift a being of Godzilla's size?

Voltron is fighting a celestial monster poised to destroy humanity. It must be Tuesday. Heh.

If this was a simple run of the mill robeast, sure - but it's far from that. Nice try on 'Tuesday' though.

So you're trying to tell us, in essence, that Voltron is more powerful than Final Wars Godzilla before the alien power supercharging? Sorry but I think this Godzilla would kick the crap out of Voltron almost as fast as Ghidorah will, even without a power-up.

I just watched a few episodes to remind myself of Voltron's power levels. I mean, damn! In one episode (I think it was episode 51 or 52), Voltron is fighting a castles with several laser beams from it. It is specified that each laser hits with a megaton of force, or a million metric tons (each metric ton is slightly more than a US ton). Since a megaton is a unit of mass, not force, it is practically certain that they mean the force equivalent of an exploding megaton of TNT, which is the unit that the yield of nuclear weapons is measured in (that's definitely what people watching a cold-war era cartoon would understand a "megaton" to mean). The nuclear weapons developed during the cold war could yield about 25-50 megatons. So basically what I am saying is that each of these lasers hit with the force of about 1/50, conservatively speaking, of a nuclear bomb. At one point in the fight, Voltron was immobilized by constricting machines and bombarded with dozens of these laser shots per second for a sustained period of several seconds. Voltron was nearly destroyed, but he wasn't. In other words, Voltron can take what adds up to the equivalent force of several nuclear warheads straight in the face and not be destroyed. Compare that to Godzilla's "atomic" ray and Ghidorah's gravity bolts, which were only shown to destroy a couple of skyscrapers at a time. That isn't anywhere near the concentrated nuclear holocaust it would take to even scratch Voltron.

Yet Godzilla's own atomic blasts did nothing to Gidorah and were in fact inferior to Ghidorah's gravitic bolts. You're severely underestimating Ghidorah's power here, and I understand why you have to to make your guy seem more mighty, but it doesn't mesh. Godzilla is a nuclear powered creature that fights with atomic energy and he got his ass kicked.

Voltron has Ghidorah beaten on speed as well. Though he had wings, we never say Keizer Ghidorah fly (except when Godzilla threw him). Assuming he's roughly on par with King Ghidorah, he can perhaps fly at Mach 3. That's nice, but Voltron can fly at least at Mach 10 (that was specifically stated out loud in an episode) and is a lot more nimble than the lumbering beast that is Ghidorah. Voltron will be flying circles around this beast, weaving in and out of its attacks before delivering the finishing blow.

Again, addressed above in the fact that the gravity bolts and telekinetic attack work over a wide area. An area larger than Voltron.

Voltron has the offensive capabilities he needs, too. He can fly straight through capital ships like they are clouds, tearing their space-proof metal hulls like damp tissue paper. His sword has cut clean through more monsters than one can adequately count. These monsters are part machine, part magic, and were sent to eradicate all life on planets. Yet Voltron is always able to come out on top. Voltron also has lasers, missiles, elemental breath weapons that blast forth from each of his heads, and a freeze ray, among other things. He's going to be unloading an arsenal on Ghidorah. Maybe Ghidorah can withstand it all (even though fleets of starships could not), but he is not going to be withstanding the Blazing Sword. The sword kills every single time and Voltron has plenty of practice killing space monsters with it.

Monsters that are far far smaller and less mighty than Ghidorah.

Voltron can also specifically counter everything Ghidorah can throw at him. Ghidorah's primary weapon is his gravity bolts, which he used like tractor beams to pick up Godzilla and throw him around the city. But think about it. What threat is "gravity" to Voltron? Voltron regularly escapes the gravitational pulls of entire planets with all the effort of a ballerina jumping on a trampoline. In my research, I came across an episode called "The Captive Comet," where Voltron is pulled onto a comet that is compared to a moving black hole. Voltron is pulled onto the comet's surface. Voltron briefly lifts off but is pulled back down. In other words, it takes BLACK HOLE amounts of gravitational force to BARELY hold Voltron. Beams that we've only seen float Godzilla around are just not going to cut it.

See above re: telekinesis. It's not just gravity. And if it's enough to throw around Godzilla it's going to be enough to turn Voltron into metal toothpicks.

We've never seen Keizer Ghidorah walk away from a battle alive. FACT.

And the only reason we didn't was because of the power-up Godzilla had. He was dead to rights before humans interfered. Voltron has no such backup here and he is hopelessly outmatched on every level.

[CrazyChris]

Here's the episode where I'm getting the "megaton" thing from. The description of the force of these lasers is around 2:13. Though, I must correct myself: the lasers are TEN MEGATONS each. That's about TEN MILLION TONS, yo. That's a fifth of a nuke each. At 8:50 or so, Voltron starts getting blasted by maybe hundreds of these lasers at once for almost a half minute before he's rescued (and if Ghidorah was fighting an enemy that could hold you in place while firing the equivalent of hundreds of nukes point blank in his face, then HE'D need rescuing, too--hell, he had a sidekick keep Mothra busy so he could focus on just Godzilla!).

EDIT: And note how the BEAMS are 10 megatons, not the canons. It's that actual things that are flying at Voltron that are 10 megatons.

[Kevin Cushing]

*Munches popcorn*

*Has no idea who to vote for, but is having fun anyway*

[George Berryman]

EDIT: And note how the BEAMS are 10 megatons, not the canons. It's that actual things that are flying at Voltron that are 10 megatons.

Again, you're still ignoring the telekinetic aspect of Keizer Ghidorah's powers. It's not "just" gravity.

1.) His weapons are not powerful enough to hurt Ghidorah enough to win. Ghidorah himself is able to counter Godzilla's own formidable atomic power.
2.) He has no backup here to power him up to the point that he could defeat Ghidorah.
3.) You can keep throwing the black hole thing up all you want but by your own arguments you've stated that Ghidorah's powers are 'mystical' and 'celestial.' If this is the case, a.) the raw rules of black holes and physics don't even apply when considering mysticism and b.) you're still ignoring the telekinetic aspect of that attack.

Voltron always walks away from a fight? Because he's never faced Keizer Ghidorah before. FACT.

[CrazyChris]

Not quite sure how much 'agility' (as it applies to a giant robot at any rate) comes into play here when Ghidorah's blasts have a wide area they hit. They're scrambled beams, not uni-directional. When you watch that video they're arcing all over the place in a wide field. If Voltron tries to jump straight at him with his tiny sword he's going to get picked up with gravity bolts and thrown around Mos Espa like a toy action figure. I also don't recall Voltron "flying."

Voltron absolutely can fly. He does so in the video I just posted to demonstrate his resistance to powerful weapons. And he can easily fly out of the range of Ghidorah's "wide field" weapons until he's done throwing his fit. Agility will SO come into play. Voltron fights like an airborne ninja, not a traditional giant robot. And it takes gravity on the level of a black hole to hold Voltron in place. That's specifically referenced in the episode "the captive comet." I hope this isn't going to be one of those fights where I have to constantly repeat myself.

I only referenced Destroy All Monsters as a history of what Gidorah represents in Daikaiju - that it takes more than one superpowered opponent most of the time to bring him down. The same applies in Final Wars; Godzilla would have lost if humans hadn't directed alien energies direactly into his spine to give him a 'power up.' Where are the humans with alien energies to do that to Voltron in this fight? Where are the other opponents for backup?

Voltron is powered by his own alien energies that clearly dwarf anything in the Godzilla universe.

When all three of those gravity bolts hit it becomes a telekinetic attack, not just gravitational. And if it's capable of tossing around Godzilla it's going to tear Voltron right apart. And I don't mean apart as in 'four lions.' I mean apart as in a piece here, a piece there, a human arm under this panel, a head implaed on rebar nearby...

Voltron's durability is something far beyond Godzilla's, as I've demonstrated.

As for the lifeforce drain there's only what, a gang of humans inside? If Voltron's armor gets breached it'll be over even faster cause it'd take about half a second to drain several humans. When Ghidorah commences that attack it's done through a powerful bite - a bite strong enough to lift Godzilla. Would you have us believe that Voltron's body is actually harder than Godzilla's dense muscle and thick skin, or that it would resist the pressure of a bite powerful enough to lift a being of Godzilla's size?

Yes, I would have you believe that. And I've proven it. Voltron can withstand an insane amount of power coming his way.

Yet Godzilla's own atomic blasts did nothing to Gidorah and were in fact inferior to Ghidorah's gravitic bolts. You're severely underestimating Ghidorah's power here, and I understand why you have to to make your guy seem more mighty, but it doesn't mesh. Godzilla is a nuclear powered creature that fights with atomic energy and he got his ass kicked.

Godzilla's beams are not as powerful as hundreds of beams, ten megatons each, over 30 seconds. If they were, one of them would be enough to wipe out entire cities and more, not just a few buildings here and there.

See above re: telekinesis. It's not just gravity. And if it's enough to throw around Godzilla it's going to be enough to turn Voltron into metal toothpicks.

Telekinesis or whatever, it's not holding a guy who can escape any force short of a black hole. Ghidorah's telekineses isn't as strong as a black hole, either. If it were, he'd have crushed Godzilla into atoms instead of throwing him into some buildings.

We've never seen Keizer Ghidorah walk away from a battle alive. FACT.

And the only reason we didn't was because of the power-up Godzilla had. He was dead to rights before humans interfered. Voltron has no such backup here and he is hopelessly outmatched on every level.

The fact of the matter is that you cannot show one time when Keizer Godzilla left a fight alive, yet I can show you around 72 times Voltron has killed giant world-stomping Goliaths. Here they are: http://www.hulu.com/voltron-defender-of-the-universe

Again, you're still ignoring the telekinetic aspect of Keizer Ghidorah's powers. It's not "just" gravity.

1.) His weapons are not powerful enough to hurt Ghidorah enough to win. Ghidorah himself is able to counter Godzilla's own formidable atomic power.
2.) He has no backup here to power him up to the point that he could defeat Ghidorah.
3.) You can keep throwing the black hole thing up all you want but by your own arguments you've stated that Ghidorah's powers are 'mystical' and 'celestial.' If this is the case, a.) the raw rules of black holes and physics don't even apply when considering mysticism and b.) you're still ignoring the telekinetic aspect of that attack.

Voltron always walks away from a fight? Because he's never faced Keizer Ghidorah before. FACT.

1) Sure they are. At 19:53 you can see him wiping out an entire battalion of giant spaceships on his own, including one ship that he flies clean through:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFKil8iqTUI

He's utterly annihilating warships that can withstand deep space travel and he's doing it by the boatload. He's a walking nuclear arsenal and he has a perfect track record killing monsters that on paper are supposed to be stronger than him. Ghidorah isn't even stronger than Voltron on paper.
2) Ghidorah had backup to keep Mothra off his back while he focused on Godzilla. Voltron could wipe the floor with all three of them.
3) a) Yeah, but when the raw rules of black holes DO apply, Voltron is at best neutralized. Wanna bet that all of Ghidorah's rule-bendy powers still don't add up to a black hole? If they did, then Godzilla would have been reduced to atoms before he could blink. b) Force is force. No matter how you categorize it, it isn't a fraction of what Voltron has been able to withstand.

[CrazyChris]

*Munches popcorn*

*Has no idea who to vote for, but is having fun anyway*

You're really still undecided after I've shown in video that Voltron can survive several times a nuclear payload blasted at him at once, sustained for more than 20 seconds, and so far George is relying on "Ghidorah is really big"? Ghidorah is 100,000 tons. Voltron has survived beams with the force of ten million tons each blasting him rapid fire for a sustained period. This is just math we're talking about, here.

EDIT: Some more math. Imagine the impact of a 771 ton object moving at ten times the speed of sound into an organic target. We know Voltron can withstand hundreds of 10,000,000 ton lasers firing him on at once, so it isn't him who's going splat here. Ghidorah versus Voltron would be very similar to a fight between a man and a bullet, and Voltron's the bullet.

[George Berryman]

You're really still undecided after I've shown in video that Voltron can survive several times a nuclear payload blasted at him at once, sustained for more than 20 seconds, and so far George is relying on "Ghidorah is really big"? Ghidorah is 100,000 tons. Voltron has survived beams with the force of ten million tons each blasting him rapid fire for a sustained period. This is just math we're talking about, here.

George's arguments have not been merely 'Ghidorah is really big.' But the fact remains - he is. Larger than what Voltron is used to fighting and far more powerful than what Voltron's used to fighting.

I'm hearing a lot of specious arguments about how Voltron is more powerful than Godzilla (and hold on a sec - LOL!) while dismissing utterly the considerable telekinetic powers at Ghidorah's disposal. How exactly does Voltron escape from the massive and irresistible telekinetic beam? Just... moving through it despite the fact that the power arcs over a large area? Acting like it's not there despite the fact it can toss around a far larger and more powerful opponent around like a wiffle ball?

Color me dubious, sir. Let's say hypothetically that Voltron was able to resist Ghidorah's telekinesis - there's still little evidence that Voltron's weapons, which are used against smaller and less powerful opponents, are going to be enough to overcome Ghidorah. Especially in light of the fact that the only way Godzilla could overcome him was being supercharged by the alien energies of an invading superpowered Xilien armada. Here, Voltron has none of the advantage that Godzilla had in that regard. Just some scared podracing fans about to be crushed by Voltron's defeated and fallen form.

[Thrawn]

*Munches popcorn*

*Has no idea who to vote for, but is having fun anyway*

Pass me the popcorn. I've been waiting for this fight. This is great. Keizer Ghidorah was on my short list for this event.

I had to vote for Keizer Ghidorah. He's a demi-god who destroys planets so he can feed on them. I was hoping CrazyChris could pull an ace of his sleeve and really surprise me. When I decided on Keizer Ghidorah as a Final Frontiers combatant (before George beat me to it. Hate you George. ), I immediately thought about Voltron as somebody who would potentially be used against Ghidorah. I researched Voltron and immediately discarded him as viable opposition based on the size discrepancy.

The size factor is a deciding point for me.

Size may be power when it's a battle of two lumbering, brutish reptiles bumping into each other like sumo wrestlers, but when you're fighting an agile, fast robot guided by skilled human pilots it does not pay to be the larger target.

King G has 300 feet on Voltron and about 300 tons. He can hold Voltron in place with his gravity beams which allow him some form of telekinesis. Voltron is a robot. Metal breaks and circuitry shorts out. KIng G's gravity beams are some of the most powerful energy beams in the universe. A single one is not more powerful than Godzilla's, but the three combined are.

I've seen Godzilla's beam take out Mecha robots covered in synthetic diamonds before. After enough hits from King G's, Voltrons going to have a lot of damage going on inside. The Keizer is more powerful than anything Voltron's ever faced before.

King G could even just hold him in place, and then knock him down and crush him under the weight of 100,000 tons.

As I've already discussed, Voltron is too fast and maneuverable for a lumbering beast to catch him.

That's why this version of King G evolved gravity bolts. To hold opponents in place.

Voltron, on the other hand, has starred in 50+ episodes where he's done nothing but tear giant, uber-powerful monsters apart limb from limb. In the consciousness of popular culture, everyone knows that Voltron is the 'bot who goes into space to fight monsters and wins.

KIng Ghidorah is known in the consciousness of pop culture as the baddest most powerful Kaiju around. He's so powerful and bad that Godzilla teams up with other monsters to take him down.

Voltron is cool. But based on everything I know about Ghidorah (which is almost everthing possible), Voltron is overmatched in everyway possible.

Voltron's durability is something far beyond Godzilla's, as I've demonstrated.

Godzilla is one of the most powerful beings in all of fiction. He's got a healing factor that rivals Wolverine's. He heals instantly from almost any injury. He's nearly indestructible. Ghidorah is powerful enough to kill Godzilla.

Voltron is a robot. A very tough, special, cool one, but the Ghidorahs are rumored and theorized to have existed since the the universe began.

Ghidorah has a regenerative and healing ability that allows him to survive most anything as well, though not as powerful as Godzilla's healing factor. He can even regrow heads over time.

His scales make his hide incredibly tough to penetrate. It has to be, he travels through the blackness of space, black holes, etc. He's tough enought to handle what Voltron throws at him.

This version of Ghidorah is arguably the most powerful version of Ghidorah ever seen, with the only possible exception being Grand King Ghidorah.

Ghidorah versus Voltron would be very similar to a fight between a man and a bullet, and Voltron's the bullet.

Yeah, but it's like trying to shoot Darksied or Doomsday with a bullet. King G would just shrug it off.

That also doesn't mention the fact that King G has intelligence. He's not stupid. There are examples that he's got more than just a bestial intelligence as well.

I was actually hoping you could really surprise me and come up with a combatant that could defeat King G based on the limitations of Final Frontiers character selection. But Voltron wasn't it for me. I've racked my brain and I just can't see him doing anything to the Keizer. Size, power, toughness, Voltron's simply outclassed.

Godzilla would take Voltron after an epic battle, so there's no way King G doesn't. I'm sorry man, but I've got to go with King G on this one.

[CrazyChris]

I'm hearing a lot of specious arguments about how Voltron is more powerful than Godzilla (and hold on a sec - LOL!) while dismissing utterly the considerable telekinetic powers at Ghidorah's disposal. How exactly does Voltron escape from the massive and irresistible telekinetic beam? Just..[photobucket]. moving through it despite the fact that the power arcs over a large area? Acting like it's not there despite the fact it can toss around a far larger and more powerful opponent around like a wiffle ball?

It's pretty clear that Voltron can simply resist the telekenisis through sheer might. Whether it's telekinetic force or gravitational force or whatever kind of force you can name, the concept of something pulling on you really hard is the same. Voltron has proven that a black hole is what it takes to BARELY pull on him hard enough that he's immobilized. You're hung up on this being telekinetic rather than purely gravitational, but there's no difference. You can't tell me that Ghidorah's telekinesis can exert an equivalent force to a black hole. That's LOL worthy.

Color me dubious, sir. Let's say hypothetically that Voltron was able to resist Ghidorah's telekinesis - there's still little evidence that Voltron's weapons, which are used against smaller and less powerful opponents, are going to be enough to overcome Ghidorah. Especially in light of the fact that the only way Godzilla could overcome him was being supercharged by the alien energies of an invading superpowered Xilien armada. Here, Voltron has none of the advantage that Godzilla had in that regard. Just some scared podracing fans about to be crushed by Voltron's defeated and fallen form.

Voltron's enemy, King Zarkon, has destroyed planets with his fleet. Utter annihilation. BLOWN OUT OF SPACE. That's what happened to the planet Balto, where some of the main characters grew up. Yet Voltron is dispatching these guys right and left. So don't even try to say Voltron's enemies are less powerful than Ghidorah. Ghidorah could only knock down a few buildings at a time. There is nothing to even hint at the idea he could explode planets. Voltron is fighting in a higher league and winning. Ghidorah fought in a lower league and lost.

[George Berryman]

King G has 300 feet on Voltron and about 300 tons.

Actually he beats Voltron by over 90,000 tons.

[iron_patriot]

THRAWN!!!, dude, how much time do you spend on these 50 paragraph arguments???