"It is I, Bruce Lee, the deadliest man to have ever walked the Earth with the possible exception of John Wayne or George Berryman. The Gong of Conflict has once again been pounded upon - it is time to FIGHT!"
"This week George Berryman challenged Thrawn, hoping to catch him with his guard down. Thrawn accepted and declared a specialty Fight Club match centered around film icons of American westerns. He chose, as his champion, the famous Clint Eastwood Spaghetti Western character The Man With No NAME!"
"In response, George selected a Comanche hunter driven by vengeance and hate - Ethan Edwards from the 1956 John Wayne film The Searchers!"
"With the combatants chosen, George Berryman informs me that he has selected Deadwood in the Dakota Territory from the year 1876 as tonight's fight venue."
"A mining town that quickly erupted into easy money and quick death, Deadwood was famous for being the Old West town where Wild Bill Hickock was murdered in 1876 - the same period as our fight venue tonight!
"A gold loving mercenary outlaw and a soldier looking for revenge on the Comanch for the death of his family! Those are your choices! Who wins? Who loses? You decide. Vote NOW! Take us away, Elvis Presley!"
Wow, you don't get a bigger wild west show down than this. I am at a loss. It's possible that the whole town might implode when they stare each other down from the sheer intensity of bad assness.
The Man With No Name is largely driven by cash. But Ethan Edwards? Ethan Edwards is driven by hatred of the Comanche warband that killed his family in Texas and a thirst for vengeance. His search leads him into the blackest pits of a man's soul as he becomes increasingly distant from humanity. Eventually it's clear that if he finds his kidnapped niece and finds she's been turned into a member of the tribe... he'll kill her.
When he finally does find the Comanche warchief, he gets his revenge for the loss of his family - and takes a scalp. That's after having killed like six and a half billion Comanches. But what happens when he finds his niece is cinema history!
This was Wayne's favorite performance, by the way, and he would never talk about it. Many close to him surmised it was because he had to go to a truly dark place as an actor to capture Ethan Edwards' hatred.
This one is TOUGH! Clint Eastwood against the Duke...wow...
However, I have to go with Clint on this one. The man with no name is quick...too quick for an aging veteran in Ethan Edwards. Plus the man with no name proves his aim is extremely accurate as his money making scheme is to free his partner from hanging by shooting the noose from a good distance. With the battle being in an urban setting, accuracy and quickness are the difference.
Spider-Dad wrote:However, I have to go with Clint on this one. The man with no name is quick...too quick for an aging veteran in Ethan Edwards.
Being an "aging veteran" didn't stop him from killing Comanches by the ton. And being an "aging veteran" isn't always an inhibitor. Last season our highest DC percentage win came from Commissioner Gorden beating Jules from Pulp Fiction - and Gordon's not a spring chicken!
With age comes experience. Ask the JSA. Hell, ask Rooster Cogburn. But don't take my word for it... here to tell us how valuable experience is, please welcome Mr. Bruce Campbell.
Let's get this out of the way first thing--Take us away Mr. Ennio Morricone!!
And Ecstasy of Gold:
Okay, now for some arguments.
I love both these actors. However, it needs to be said first and foremost, this isn't Clint Eastwood vs John Wayne. It's the characters vs the characters, in other words, The Man with No Name vs Ethan Edwards. So keeping that in mind...I think Spider-Dad's anaylsis is correct.
Spider-Dad wrote:This one is TOUGH! Clint Eastwood against the Duke...wow...
However, I have to go with Clint on this one. The man with no name is quick...too quick for an aging veteran in Ethan Edwards. Plus the man with no name proves his aim is extremely accurate as his money making scheme is to free his partner from hanging by shooting the noose from a good distance. With the battle being in an urban setting, accuracy and quickness are the difference.
Great card gentlemen...great card.
This is a gun fight in typical wild west fashion, courtesy of the Venomaniac Corollary. This fight will be decided primarily by who is the quickest. As a matter of fact, if the sheer epicness of the staredown doesn't destroy the universe and everything in it, the actual fight will be over in roughly 3 seconds. Without a doubt The Man with No Name is the favorite here. He's a gunfighter by profession. He uses the skills as a bounty hunter and killer.
That is not to sell Ethan Edwards short by any means, but he was a soldier, not a gun fighter. There is a difference. He can use a gun in his sleep, but The Man with No Name has a skill and accuracy with his gun Edwards won't be able to overcome. Compete with sure, but not defeat.
The Man with No Name is also in his prime, Edwards is not. What George said above is true, don't sell a veteran short. I firmly believe age and experience can overcome youth, but that outcome is also situational. In this particular fight it's speed that makes all the difference and The Man with No Name has it. No amount of experience Edwards has is going to change that.
Giving George a bone here, assuming both men are ducking behind side streets and buildings, he still loses. Both men are cunning and intelligent, but for sheer deviousness The Man with No Name wins here also. His ability to out think his opponent and get inside their heads is scary. Again, Edwards can compete mentally, but The Man with No Name is his better.
George wrote:
Ethan Edwards is driven by hatred of the Comanche warband that killed his family in Texas and a thirst for vengeance. His search leads him into the blackest pits of a man's soul as he becomes increasingly distant from humanity. Eventually it's clear that if he finds his kidnapped niece and finds she's been turned into a member of the tribe... he'll kill her.
Hm. Sounds an awful lot like the Man with No Name. Pure emotion and hate are still not enough to overcome skill and speed. His anger and hatred that's directed against the Comanche also will not be transferred to The Man with No Name. He's not Comanche.
"now face off in the most brutal of combats...fighting vicariously through fictional characters. Tremble, mortals." - Shang Chi
*You'll have to watch this one on youtube. For the life of me I can't find one that doesn't have embedding diabled.*
Skill and mind games in action. Check the skill at 5:23. The Man with No Name taking on the second most dangerous man in the wild west along with his own partner. Worthy of John Wayne and George Berryman himself.
More skill in action. This one is particularly important because The Man with No Name encountered someone with skill to rival his own. Not coincedentally an aging veteran like George's and John Wayne's own Ethan Edwards.
I'd say Colonel Mortimer is at least Ethan Edwards equal. The key thing to take away from this video is that the Man with No Name learned a valuable lesson, one that will most certainly be applied to Ethan Edwards in this match.
"now face off in the most brutal of combats...fighting vicariously through fictional characters. Tremble, mortals." - Shang Chi
Thrawn wrote:Hm. Sounds an awful lot like the Man with No Name. Pure emotion and hate are still not enough to overcome skill and speed.
Yet that very thing is a staple of fiction, no matter the genre. I could say a few things about greed here, too, since it's the only thing fueling your guy.
Thrawn wrote:His anger and hatred that's directed against the Comanche also will not be transferred to The Man with No Name. He's not Comanche.
His hatred of the Comanche made him distant from his own humanity. At one point when he knows someone's going to rob him he sets a trap using his own unknowing nephew and straight-up kills a man. Not captures, just straight-up kills.
Also - you make it sound like Ethan Edwards has just never fought anyone 'quick.' I suppose Comanches aren't quick then? Is this what you would have us believe, Thrawn?
John Wayne will show that young wipper snapper what's what
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The problem with this card is...what are the weapons? Since they are not listed, we can only assume they will have pistols (picture with man with no name is a scene with a gun) and that is clearly the advantage of the man with no name. Fist fight? I go with Ethan. Unfortunately for Ethan, anger towards comanches will not do him much good in a gun fight.
Spider-Dad wrote:The problem with this card is...what are the weapons? Since they are not listed, we can only assume they will have pistols (picture with man with no name is a scene with a gun) and that is clearly the advantage of the man with no name. Fist fight? I go with Ethan. Unfortunately for Ethan, anger towards comanches will not do him much good in a gun fight.
Both combatants used pistols and rifles in their films and that is assumed here.
George Berryman wrote:I could say a few things about greed here, too, since it's the only thing fueling your guy.
Uh...self preservation? The force is strong with this one.
George Berryman wrote:Also - you make it sound like Ethan Edwards has just never fought anyone 'quick.' I suppose Comanches aren't quick then? Is this what you would have us believe, Thrawn?
I said no such thing. The Man With No Name is in his prime and simply faster. Ethans is fast, but not fast enough. And in this contest it matters. End of story.
Edwards is also not fighting Commanches in traditional gunfighter duels either. I'm just saying...you know, throwing that out there so you don't confuse potential voters without telling them the full story...not that you'd ever do that. I know I certainly wouldn't.
"now face off in the most brutal of combats...fighting vicariously through fictional characters. Tremble, mortals." - Shang Chi
Thrawn wrote:Edwards is also not fighting Commanches in traditional gunfighter duels either. I'm just saying...you know, throwing that out there so you don't confuse potential voters without telling them the full story...not that you'd ever do that. I know I certainly wouldn't.
I never said he was fighting duels with Comanches. I said he was used to fighting an enemy that's fast and quick. Not only that but waves and waves of Comanches at a time.
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