Douglas Classic Season One #1 - 'In the Key of RAAAWR!'

[George Berryman]

"Greetingsss, hairlesss apesss! It isss I, Lord Ssstegron, live in the booth for tonight'sss big game! Round One of the Douglasss Classsic hasss officially kicked off, and it'sss my pleasssure to bring you, my loyal, adoring sssubjectsss, the bessst in bloodsssport entertainmentsss! With me in the Crawl Ssspace Fight Club booth tonight isss Mohandasss K. Gandhi - or asss we call him around the office, 'the Mahatma Mauler.' Looking forward to tonight'sss carnage, Mo?"

"I am totally wetting upon myself right now from being so glad to be here! I love the Crawl Space fights and I cannot get enough of them! I love it when the big things hit each other, and then they hit the little things, but then sometimes the little things hit back harder... you never know sometimes what you're going to see! One minute you think it will be over quick and that you and your lovely wife will be covered in the blood of the fallen from your front row seat. But then the next minute the fight's still going on and it goes on for... you know, a really long time... and you've got enough teeth to make a necklace! Oh my GOD, I am loving all of the hot violence!"

"You and me both, Mohandasss. You and me both. But now, let'sss take a look at tonight'sss combatantsss and reflect on their ssseasssonsss. Firssst up, with the bessst overall record in Ssseason One, George Berryman rode a colosssal eight game win ssstreak during mid-ssseassson to put him firmly on the top. That ssstreak finally came to an end on November 4th, when FSSSUSSSpiderFan defeated Berryman in a non-combat match between the Dread Pirate Robertsss and Jack Sssparrow."

"I was totally hating on that fight because no one was beating the living piss out of one another! I swear to God I am going to start demanding my money back on the 'fights without fighting.' Whose idea was that anyway?"

"Venomaniac'sss. The rule isss called the Venomaniac Corollary."

"Good - then the Mahatma knows whose ass to beat later! Anyway, let us be looking at George's opponent tonight. Thrawn has the fifth overall record in Season One and he has faced George already before this year, more than once. The first time George defeated him by having the vampire demon killer Angel take out the Boogeyman. Thrawn demanded satisfaction, however, and challenged George to a rematch. George handily defeated Thrawn yet again, this time with Bugs Bunny."

"Ignominiousss defeat..."

"Oh my God, you are telling me, right? George defeated Thrawn a third time earlier this month when George picked Snake-Eyes against Thrawn's John Rambo. So there is already being a lot of awesome bad blood between these two!"

"Lord Ssstegron thrivesss on the animosssity of competition. However, Thrawn can be wily prey and usssually hasss a trick or two up hisss sssleevesss. But let'sss turn to tonight'sss match. George, with the better record, hasss home field advantage and isss consssidered the challenger tonight, leaving Thrawn to pick firssst. Thrawn hasss ssselected the Sssymbiote Ssspider-Man asss hisss champion tonight.



When Ssspider-Man wasss pulled acrosss the universsse along with many of Earth'sss heroesss and villainsss he eventually found himssself bonded to an alien parasssite that gave him a new cossstume and a little bit of extra physssical ssstrength, along with itsss own web fluid."

"Do not even be getting me started on how gross that is! In response, George has selected a JLA'er, a JSA'er and one of the Birds of Prey. She is one of the best martial artists in the DC Universe but more importantly she has a devastating sonic attack, which she calls a 'Canary Cry,' that totally wipes things out and shakes buildings apart! And she wears fishnet stockings a lot so she totally looks hawt while she's doing it!"



"Where will they be fighting tonight, Mahatma?"

"Oh you are going to be loving this, Steggy! Black Canary and the Symbiote Spidey will be fighting in the Jurassic Park theme park on Isla Nublar, Costa Rica!



"The center of Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park story, Jurassic Park is home to dozens and dozens of genetically engineered dinosaurs that run amok and start killing people left and right. Specifically, George is going with the Jurassic Park that was presented in the 1993 film version. I am totally freaking right the hell out right now!"

"Oh I hear you. Thisss isss one happy Dinosssaur Man right now, let me tell you. I am half tempted to sssneak out there myssself, control my dinosssaur brethren and kill both of thossse apesss!"

"Whatever works! So long as I get to see some hyper-violence tonight! Mahatma paid for blood--!!"

"For George Berryman, Mohandasss K. Gandhi and everyone elssse at the Crawl Ssspace Fight Club crew, thisss isss Lord Ssstegron saying "RAAAAAWR, foolsss!"






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[George Berryman]

1.) The symbiote is vulnerable to sonic and thermal attack. Black Canary has an extremely powerful sonic attack that can level buildings and shatter metal.

2.) Peter is unaware of the symbiote's vulnerability. Hell - he's unaware that he's got a living thing on him (as was established in ASM #258, right before Reed Richards zapped the costume off of Peter with a sonic blaster and trapped it with help from the Human Torch) let alone that it's vulnerable to flame and sound.

3.) After knowing that sound was its Achilles' Heel, and after the symbiote has escaped and redbonded with him, Peter hauled the symbiote to a cathedral bell tower, where the sound from the tolling bells drove it off of Peter's body and defeated it. However, what it also showed us was that Peter felt the same pain and suffered the same effects as the symbiote due to the symbiotic relationship. (WoSM #1). Ergo, whatever pain and damage the symbiote takes, Peter takes as well. The noise of the cathedral bells was enough to take them both down - and that's not even high enough level to level a building, which is what Black Canary has.

Without even knowing he's extra vulnerable to her attack due to the symbiote he's wearing, Peter and the symbiote go down and go down hard, and in pretty quick fashion. Black Canary will be standing there thinking "Huh... don't know my own strength!"

[FSUSpiderFan]

That is taking for granted that Spidey is going to sit there and get blasted by her scream. His spider sense will warn him to get out of dodge and then you have him flipping all around avoiding her screams until he webs her mouth and kicks her butt.

[Venomaniac]

Did SPidey ever wear the symbiote at some other time when he knew it's weakness?
That being said, I don't think it's a problem. If Spidey's hit he's in trouble but between the spider-sense and the agility he can dodge her attacks. It seems his strategy should be long-distance webbing that would incapacitate Black Canary
And the other tihng is the location. Between the spider-sense and agility, Spidey can dodge dinos far easier than Black Canary
So Spidey def. takes it.

Oh, and Ghandi- I am going to beat you so hard you'll think you were back in British India
Bapu's gonna get an ass-whooping!

[George Berryman]

Did SPidey ever wear the symbiote at some other time when he knew it's weakness?

After it escaped the Baxter Building and, very briefly, rebonded to Peter as he fought Vulturions. And when I say 'very briefly' I literally mean like what, an hour or so?

That being said, I don't think it's a problem. If Spidey's hit he's in trouble but between the spider-sense and the agility he can dodge her attacks.

That is taking for granted that Spidey is going to sit there and get blasted by her scream.

Her sonic powers affect everyone and everything in an area. There's no dodging that. She's not firing eye-beams. She's creating overpowering sound.

Also, Spidey's spider-sense might alert him to the danger but he doesn't always react in time. Machine gun fire is one thing. Something that is literally affecting an area the size of a city block? Not so much.

It seems his strategy should be long-distance webbing that would incapacitate Black Canary

His spider sense will warn him to get out of dodge and then you have him flipping all around avoiding her screams until he webs her mouth and kicks her butt.

Her sonic powers are enough to topple buildings. How's webbing going to stand up to that? It's as strong as steel cable and her sonic powers can shatter metal.

And the other tihng is the location. Between the spider-sense and agility, Spidey can dodge dinos far easier than Black Canary. So Spidey def. takes it.

Black Canary does have experience fighting dinosaurs (Birds of Prey). She's also a master acrobat.

[BertoneBeatle]

The sonics do weaken the symbiote, but it's not like Kryptonite where it will kneel over and freeze. The symbiote has been shown to withstand sonics (although weakened) for a bit. Even while the sonics from the bell tower were killing him in "Web of Spider-Man" issue 1 he had enough strength and mobility to escape....change his mind...go back and drag Peter to safety.

So the sonics can harm and kill him...but not right away. That will give him time to web her mouth shut...turn invisible...ANYTHING.

[Berserkfury819]

That is taking for granted that Spidey is going to sit there and get blasted by her scream. His spider sense will warn him to get out of dodge and then you have him flipping all around avoiding her screams until he webs her mouth and kicks her butt.

You can't dodge sonic screams. If this was anyone else I'd have gone with Spidey, but Black Canary is was louder than Church bells. I gotta go with Black Canary.

[George Berryman]

The sonics do weaken the symbiote, but it's not like Kryptonite where it will kneel over and freeze.

The choice was specific - Spidey with the symbiote. When Spidey had the symbiote the power of a bell tower alone was able to take them BOTH down. It's right there in Web #1. Symbiote Spidey was defeated by the sound of large bells.

The symbiote has been shown to withstand sonics (although weakened) for a bit. Even while the sonics from the bell tower were killing him in "Web of Spider-Man" issue 1 he had enough strength and mobility to escape....change his mind...go back and drag Peter to safety.

I don't disagree that the symbiote was less vulnerable to sound after it had been with Spider-Man. But while it was with Spider-Man, pre-Venom/Brock, it was KO'd by bells.

TSo the sonics can harm and kill him...but not right away. That will give him time to web her mouth shut...turn invisible...ANYTHING.

Again - her sonics can shatter metal. The webbing's as hard as steel cable; it's not going to withstand her scream.

And when did Spidey with the symbiote ever turn invisible?

[BertoneBeatle]

And when did Spidey with the symbiote ever turn invisible?

You wouldn't know George because we couldn't see him!

[FSUSpiderFan]

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Again - her sonics can shatter metal. The webbing's as hard as steel cable; it's not going to withstand her scream.

And when did Spidey with the symbiote ever turn invisible?

Ok then, when he sees her bust through the webbing he chucks a brick at her head and knocks her out. We all know the power of a BRICK!!!

[Berserkfury819]

And when did Spidey with the symbiote ever turn invisible?

You wouldn't know George because we couldn't see him!

As much as I love the Spider-Man video game from 1999, I'm pretty sure its non-canon.

[George Berryman]

And when did Spidey with the symbiote ever turn invisible?

You wouldn't know George because we couldn't see him!

Answer: he didn't. Which means he doesn't have that capability here. That was a Venom thing.

Ok then, when he sees her bust through the webbing he chucks a brick at her head and knocks her out.

How does he even know to either web her mouth up or do anything of the sort? The minute she screams, it's "OH GOD, OH GOD THE TERRIBLE PAIN!!" for him. He falls, defeated, and the symbiote slithers as far away from her as it can get while Peter sleeps like a baby. How do I know? Because freaking BELLS did that to Symbiote Spidey. BELLS. And here he's up against someone who makes a whole Hell of a lot more noise than that.

We all know the power of a BRICK!!!

This is reaching and sad.

[FSUSpiderFan]

Ok then, when he sees her bust through the webbing he chucks a brick at her head and knocks her out.

How does he even know to either web her mouth up or do anything of the sort? The minute she screams, it's "OH GOD, OH GOD THE TERRIBLE PAIN!!" for him. He falls, defeated, and the symbiote slithers as far away from her as it can get while Peter sleeps like a baby. How do I know? Because freaking BELLS did that to Symbiote Spidey. BELLS. And here he's up against someone who makes a whole Hell of a lot more noise than that.
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That is taking for granted that Spidey is going to sit there and get blasted by her scream. His spider sense will warn him to get out of dodge and then you have him flipping all around avoiding her screams until he webs her mouth and kicks her butt.

[Hambone]

Her sonic powers affect everyone and everything in an area. There's no dodging that. She's not firing eye-beams. She's creating overpowering sound.

Well that's kind've of a crummy ability. How does she keep from harming her fellow Justice Leaguers if her power is affecting everybody in the area? If I were Batman I'd be all like "Don't call us, we'll call you. NEXT!"

Anyways, Peter was never actually bonded with the symbiote the way Eddie Brock was, so while her power will certainly stun the alien, I don't think it'll affect the host in anyway. So Spider-Man's naked or whatever; he's still got his super speed, agility, strength and incredible endurance to fall back on. He's taken down lots of opponents with sonic attacks in his long career, and Black Canary doesn't bring anything additional to the table other then some martial arts. (Or is she this week's "Greatest Martial Artist EVER" in the DCU? )

Spidey for the win!

[George Berryman]

Anyways, Peter was never actually bonded with the symbiote the way Eddie Brock was, so while her power will certainly stun the alien, I don't think it'll affect the host in anyway.

It will affect the host precisely as it did in Web of Spider-Man #1. Because that's the character that was chosen.

So Spider-Man's naked or whatever; he's still got his super speed, agility, strength and incredible endurance to fall back on.

No, actually he doesn't. He's unconscious due to the fact that the symbiotic nature of his symbiote costume meant he was vulnerable to sound from the bells as well. How do we know this? Because it happened in Web of Spider-Man #1. (see scans below)

He's taken down lots of opponents with sonic attacks in his long career, and Black Canary doesn't bring anything additional to the table other then some martial arts. (Or is she this week's "Greatest Martial Artist EVER" in the DCU? )

Spidey has fought opponents with sonic powers before, yes. But not when he's got a symbiote that's very vulnerable to them which also makes him vulnerable to them as well. In this fight the symbiote's weakness is actually working AGAINST him.

Get past the Spidey fandom. I love Spidey as much as anyone and he loses here.

EDIT: Here's what "just bells" did to Symbiote Spidey. Black Canary's powers work on a far, far higher level - powerful enough to bring down buildings and shatter metal.