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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby Funnykay » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:15 pm

Getting out my greatest complaint, it felt kinda, for lack of a better word, lame that they just went ahead and made Marion Coltillard's character Talia. Everyone and their mother called it and when they did, it was supposed to be the big "super awesome twist" moment but it was just, eh, she's Talia, i guessed it when she was first cast. That and the acting on her death is hilariously poor for an actress of that caliber. Aside from that (it was by far the weakest element of the film), it kicked ass. Tom Hardy as bane went a different way than anticipated and was far more of a smooth talking villain in the same way Liam Neeson's Ra's was in BB. Christian Bale toned down his in need of throat medication voice and it helped. Was surprised at the lack of Alfred and not sure that was the right thing to sacrifice in order to add John Blake in (I would've taken away from the Lucius Fox and Miranda Tate stuff). The ending is in no way open. And i wasn't a fan of it anyway as I was trying to work out how he escaped certain annihalation, but hey, it's Batman so I can live with it. Probably the weakest of the three films, but still very, very good.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby stillanerd » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:56 pm

My short review of the film: I really liked it! Is it as good as The Dark Knight? No. But it's still a good movie, on par at least with Batman Begins (which, given how this film directly harkens back to that film and comes full circle is very appropriate).

My longer, more spoiler-filled review of the film: All the performances were solid, with maybe a couple of exceptions. In particular Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, and Morgan Freeman were just as good as they have been in the last two installments.

I thought Tom Hardy as Bane was great. Granted, he sounded like Goldfinger from James Bond with a plastic bucket over his head, but he delivered in showing that Bane was very much the dark reflection of Batman. I especially liked the both the moment where he utterly breaks Batman and the following scene where he explains to Bruce exactly what he's going to do to Gotham and Bruce by providing a false sense of hope makes the despair that much greater.

I also really enjoyed Anne Hathaway's performance as Selina Kyle. It's not only a far more faithful version of Catwoman than what's been on the big screen, but it's crystal clear why she does what she does and why she acts the way she does. Plus she's got very good chemistry between herself and Bale--particularly that masked ballroom scene. And did no one think she looked seriously hot when riding the Batpod? But while I did like the relationship between Bruce and Selina, I did feel it was a bit rushed towards the end. Still, it was perfectly clear why the two of them were growing mutually attracted to one another; it just needed to "marinate" a bit more, if that makes any sense.

Joesph Gordon-Levitt's character of John Blake was also another highlight. I thought his overall story arc was rather fitting, and, because he has both the qualities of both Bruce Wayne and Gordon while also not having their faults, he's able to bring balance to both of those characters--much like how
the character who shares his real first name does for Batman in the comics. And speaking of Blake's real name being Robin? Yeah, that was admittedly pretty cheesy, but understandable considering how, for all intends and purposes, the character was pretty much Nolan's version of Dick Grayson anyway.


The weakest performance, however, I think unfortunately goes to Marion Cotillard as
Miranda Tate/Talia al Ghul. Oh sure, I thought the twist with her being behind everything made perfect sense, at the same time, it was way too telegraphed almost from the very beginning. That's because Cotillard didn't come across the least bit convincing when she's supposed to be pretending to be a philanthropic businesswoman; it's only when she reveals herself as Talia and her motives to Batman that she finally begins to shine.


I also agree that, in terms of the pacing, the film can be pretty slow, particularly the beginning it has to establish everything that's happened in the past eight years and introduce new characters and, to some degree, the middle of the movie where Bane and the League of Shadows take over Gotham. But for the most part, there was lots of exciting and riveting stuff, particularly those last 30-40 minutes. Absolutely fantastic! Nolan has improved tremendously when it comes to staging large actions scenes, and the ones in this movie were top notch.

And as for "The Bat?" Very cool! Particularly the scene where it's chasing the Tumblers--best action sequence in the movie, bar none.

All that said, there certainly wasn't enough scenes of Bruce being Batman, although considering how it's more or less Bruce Wayne's story overall, this is pretty easy to let slide. It also would have been nice to have a scene showing how Bruce was able to get back into Gotham in spite of the military blockade and all but one of the bridges being blown up.

Also, I actually thought that Nolan didn't go far enough in showing just how much a major city like Gotham would have collapsed after five months without any civil government or authority in place. There needed to be trash on the street, gutted cars on fire, people rioting for food and medicine, rolling blackouts, etc. Granted, the film effectively shows how all these people are forcibly being dragged out of their homes by the mob, the mock trials, and also how, in the aftermath, people were too scared to come out of their houses; but they also needed to show how Gotham had become akin to a third-world city under Bane's rule. A better example of a society on the brink of collapse is Children of Men, and that's what I think Gotham should have looked like more during Bane's occupation.

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the way Bane died, and while it does show that Bruce was right about Selina being good all along, not to mention appropriate that she's the one to save him from Bane considering how she sold Batman to Bane earlier, my gosh was that just a lazy, deus ex machina on Nolan's part. Bane's been built-up as this badass villain, so you'd think he'd go out with a little more style than being blasted by the Batpod's cannons. Come on, Nolan! You can do better than that. Still, I did like her one liner afterwards.


With regards to the ending, I thought it couldn't be a more appropriate and fitting conclusion for this particular trilogy of Batman films. Granted, some are questioning the logic of
how Bruce was able to escape from a 6 mile wide nuclear explosion, with some as going as far as to suggest Alfred only imagined seeing Bruce and Selina in the cafe (even though there's more than enough evidence given in the film that the ending is exactly what it purports to be)
it really does work when you consider what the past two films and this one have been establishing about Bruce as a character, not to mention perfectly satisfying given what has happened over the course of the trilogy.

All in all, I'd give it three out of four stars, but still very close to being three and a-half out of four.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby iron_patriot » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:59 am

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Next set of movies should have something like this.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby Spideydude » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:21 pm

I swear that...

Joker would've been the judge instead of Craine
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby iron_patriot » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:07 pm

Spideydude wrote:I swear that...

Joker would've been the judge instead of Craine

Probably, but I don't know if
the Ledger Joker would just be a judge. I don't think he'd be a subordinate. This Crane has been nothing more than a minor,though freaking cool, bad guy, so he works.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby DarkKnightJared » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:14 pm

I fucking loved it--I can see where some people might not have liked it, but I was enthralled and invested the entire time. There's definitely some plot holes, but considering the huge task Nolan had, I think he did pretty damn well tying up all the loose ends.

Part of me finds it kinda odd that Bruce legitimately quits being Batman at the end. I mean, I think it works for the story Nolan told, but I'm guessed I'm kinda used to the never-ending comic thing where Bruce will sooner die than retire.


I do hope that they do reboot this with the next people, though--not just because I would like to see more of the comic book elements (after this, I would LOVE to see them try to do a legit Robin story), but I think while the things that Nolan keeps open, while juicy, is probably best to leave up for interpretation.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby Thrawn » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:35 am

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I really think I like Bane the best of all the Nolan villains. That probably comes down to the fact that as much as I enjoyed Heath Ledger's Joker, it certainly wasn't my favorite portrayal of Joker; whereas to date this was the definitive Bane portrayal outside of the comics. Bane certainly felt like a more dangerous threat to Batman than the Joker did in the previous film.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby DarkKnightJared » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:56 am

Oh yeah--that was definitely one of the best takes on Bane I've seen in a while. Nolan/Hardy did a great job at making terrifying and imposing, a true dark mirror of Batman, which was to be expected...and THEN, the twist of who the real person in charge is allows them to give him another layer where you almost feel sympathetic for him. That was incredible on everyone's part.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby MacGyver » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:30 pm

Thrawn wrote:Just felt like leaving this here:

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That picture isn't from the porno too is it?

Not sure if I could handle the "breaking" of the Bat.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby DarkKnightJared » Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:59 pm

MacGyver wrote:
Thrawn wrote:Just felt like leaving this here:

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That picture isn't from the porno too is it?

Not sure if I could handle the "breaking" of the Bat.

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I don't think so--it looks like digital art, and it's using the Arkham game designs.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby Tabularasa » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:21 am

Apparently Nolan had planned to use

The Joker as a cameo. I think it's pretty common knowledge that Nolan's plan was to have The Joker as a big antagonist for The Dark Knight and it's sequel as he had stated Tim Burton's biggest mistake was killing The Joker, but sadly, that wasn't possible due to Heath's passing. However, Nolan was planning on using The Joker for a cameo in Rises. When Bane lets out the prisoners in Black Gate, The Joker was supposed to appear (Just his back side and a close up on his smile) he tries to open his door, but it's still locked. He tries to bust the door open but it's no use. He then just slides back down on his bed. It was never filmed as Nolan felt that it would be disrespectful to the Ledgar family, but more importantly, to the character of The Joker that he would only appear in a 30 second cameo and that he just stayed in prison. This is obviously just rumors, although it sounds pretty legit to me, especially considering Nolan worked in cameos and call backs to all the other villains in the trilogy. Someone on tumblr made fan art storyboard of the proposed scene, it's pretty good. I can't find it at the moment, but I'll post it later.

I'm personally happy that Nolan didn't use it. It would've been nice to have a call back to The Joker since even Two-Face got a flashback. But I think Ledgar's Joker is so larger than life, that any call back, even the proposed cameo, would have overshadowed what Bane was doing, IMO.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby DarkKnightJared » Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:06 pm

Tabularasa wrote:Apparently Nolan had planned to use

The Joker as a cameo. I think it's pretty common knowledge that Nolan's plan was to have The Joker as a big antagonist for The Dark Knight and it's sequel as he had stated Tim Burton's biggest mistake was killing The Joker, but sadly, that wasn't possible due to Heath's passing. However, Nolan was planning on using The Joker for a cameo in Rises. When Bane lets out the prisoners in Black Gate, The Joker was supposed to appear (Just his back side and a close up on his smile) he tries to open his door, but it's still locked. He tries to bust the door open but it's no use. He then just slides back down on his bed. It was never filmed as Nolan felt that it would be disrespectful to the Ledgar family, but more importantly, to the character of The Joker that he would only appear in a 30 second cameo and that he just stayed in prison. This is obviously just rumors, although it sounds pretty legit to me, especially considering Nolan worked in cameos and call backs to all the other villains in the trilogy. Someone on tumblr made fan art storyboard of the proposed scene, it's pretty good. I can't find it at the moment, but I'll post it later.

I'm personally happy that Nolan didn't use it. It would've been nice to have a call back to The Joker since even Two-Face got a flashback. But I think Ledgar's Joker is so larger than life, that any call back, even the proposed cameo, would have overshadowed what Bane was doing, IMO.


And here I thought that--

Joker may have had Crane's role as the judge. Makes some sense, though--putting people through that kind of "exile" would be something he would be into.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby Tabularasa » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:49 pm

Honestly, if Nolan had Two-Face alive, obviously in secret as the public would think Dent was dead, I think he would've been perfect for the Judge. I liked Crane's cameo as it's kind of a stape with Dark Knight and Rises that he has a cameo and again ties into the first film with both villains making brief cameos, but I don't think Joker or Crane were really right for the role of the Judge.

Here's the fan art of the proposed cameo scene for The Joker.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby Thrawn » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:20 pm

Found this on Youtube. I thought it was pretty neat.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Postby FSUSpiderFan » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:35 pm

Finally saw the movie last night and it was awesome. I think it is the best Batman movie ever made. Burton's first one will always have a special place in my heart but this movie was just so ambitious. With trying to combine Knightfall, Dark Knight Returns, and No Man's Land, as well as introduce Catwoman and a new Robin this movie could have been pretty messy the way Spider-Man 3 was. Instead Nolan pulled off a grand tale that completed the story of Bruce Wayne. Weird to think that he is done but he deserved a happy ending.

Great action. Bane was a scary ass villain. Didn't top the Joker but he held his own. His bad Sean Connery impression sometimes bugged me but overall very solid performance, especially with his face mostly covered.

Hathaway as Catwoman was perfect. I wish there was more of her in the movie. Her character really shined. She was everything you need from a Catwoman...except the whip(maybe she only uses that in the bedroom with Bruce). She topped Michele Phifer who while hot, let's face it was hamming it up for most of Returns. Hathaway was hot, bad ass, clever, smooth, and funny. Finally we had some good romantic chemistry in these movies. Rachael was never great in my opinion with either actress.

Talia was a weak spot for me. I thought she did a good job of seeming to care but for him to suddenly trust her with everything. Also, the sex scene between them seemed tacked on and pointless. Why would she want to do that? Also, Ra's wanted to to destroy Gotham because it was so messed up but it had been fixed so why did they want to destroy it?

John Blake was an interesting character. I liked him and he really looked like an older Robin. I thought he should have had some more involvement in the final fight.
Really interested to see if they continue with this new Robin?Batman? Nightwing? or reboot to a whole different thing. It would be nice to have another version with serious takes on Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Penguin, and Clay Face which weren't possible in this more realistic version.
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