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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Thrawn » Sun May 02, 2010 9:05 am

Venomaniac wrote:

Though i could make the case that this is a younger inexperienced Batman, who has not learned all the lessons that the Batman people love know today


I agree, which is why I gave some other things a pass. We are seeing Batman go from a novice to the master crime-fighter he will become one day, so I expect mistakes to be made. I don't mind in the Dark Knight that Batman was completely unprepared to deal with a complete aberration like the Joker, compared to the gangsters he was dealing with prior.

But the fundamental core of the character should be the same. Protecting the innocent and stopping criminals. Even though he is inexperienced, that goes out the window when he is trying to settle down with Rachel after only being Batman for about a year. That's out of character anyway you slice it. Same with the disregard for the police during the batmobile chase in Begins.

Just to add to the discussion, this pic really kind of sums up Batman to me.

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I love the Nolan films a lot, but Batman is the one character the he seems to really not have a strong handle on. I think my favorite "Batman" moment from the Nolan films was when he throws the gadget to the kid in Begins as his parents argue in the background. Ironically even though the Burton Batman did kill some thugs, ultimately I still felt like his Batman really captured the true spirit of the character. He was completely driven, brooding, Keaton was intimidating in the suit, and he had a gleam in his eye that evinced intelligence. I get very little of that from Bale's Batman.
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby thjan » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:54 pm

My favorite Batman movie is Batman(1989). After that it goes-

Batman Returns(even though I wasn't a fan of the penguin with rockets thing).
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight

Thrawn wrote:Here's another one, his training. Bruce is the world's greatest detective. Did he seem that smart to you? He was basically a big bruiser in the films. Bruce is a doer and a master of his fate. He has to control his own life as a consequence of being powerless when his parents died. In Begins he's a rather passive character in the beginning. Rhas is the one who motivates him. Then the only training he gets is for his body. He only learns fighting skills. He didn't learn forensics, chemistry, literature or anything on his time away from Gotham. That's a big flaw in those films. The main appeal of Batman is his intelligence and the detective aspect of the character. There was very little of that in the two Nolan films.


Yeah, the lack of detective skills or genius level intelligence was my biggest problem with Nolan's films. That's a big part of Batman in the comics. The next biggest problem for me was Katie Holmes(awful, awful, awful choice for that role).


Thrawn wrote:Ironically even though the Burton Batman did kill some thugs, ultimately I still felt like his Batman really captured the true spirit of the character. He was completely driven, brooding, Keaton was intimidating in the suit, and he had a gleam in his eye that evinced intelligence. I get very little of that from Bale's Batman.


I agree.
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby gregxb » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:45 pm

"Mask of the Phantasm" easily. It's a story all about Batman, and what drives him. It opens up his heart and soul and dissects it. It's the best Batman movie ever made, and if you disagree, well, you're wrong.
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Shadow116 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:58 pm

Here is some artwork I found on deviantart for the Mask of the Phantasm fans, as it is my favorite Batman film as well. Now I have the urge pop my dvd in my computer and watch it lol.
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby ChaosInc » Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:50 pm

gregxb wrote:"Mask of the Phantasm" easily. It's a story all about Batman, and what drives him. It opens up his heart and soul and dissects it. It's the best Batman movie ever made, and if you disagree, well, you're wrong.


I was debating with myself which Batman film was better; Begins or Dark Knight, then I saw this post. Phantasm is by far the best Batman film to hit cinemas, it captures how much Bruce sacrifices to be Batman and how he walks a fine line between being the caped crusader and one of the crazies he fights on a regular basis. It also has an origin story that does not rehash what we've seen before and ties into the main plot seamlessly.

Plus it manages to do what both Nolan and Burton failed to do, tell Batman story with the Joker without him becoming more important than the protagonist.
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Venomaniac » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:13 pm

Honestly...

I saw Mask of the Phantasm and I didnt love it

It was ok

At the risk of being shot, I thought the characterization of the Joker was the most boring part.
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby FSUSpiderFan » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:19 am

Venomaniac wrote:Honestly...

I saw Mask of the Phantasm and I didnt love it

It was ok

At the risk of being shot, I thought the characterization of the Joker was the most boring part.


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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Thrawn » Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:09 am

Shadow116 wrote:Here is some artwork I found on deviantart for the Mask of the Phantasm fans, as it is my favorite Batman film as well. Now I have the urge pop my dvd in my computer and watch it lol.
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I think that's the cover to the comic book adaptation that came with the original VHS release of the movie. *Checks link* Yep. 8)

http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=Batman+by+Beowulf71#/dso1af

Venomaniac wrote:Honestly...

I saw Mask of the Phantasm and I didnt love it

It was ok

At the risk of being shot, I thought the characterization of the Joker was the most boring part.


JUDAS!! :P




I really don't know how you find the Joker boring in this movie, but hey, that's why I come to the Crawlspace.

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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby ChaosInc » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:31 am

Venomaniac wrote:Honestly...

I saw Mask of the Phantasm and I didnt love it

It was ok

At the risk of being shot, I thought the characterization of the Joker was the most boring part.


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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Tabularasa » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:00 pm

Venomaniac wrote:Honestly...

I saw Mask of the Phantasm and I didnt love it

It was ok

At the risk of being shot, I thought the characterization of the Joker was the most boring part.


I won't shoot you, I agree with you, lol. It's an okay movie from the same people that made a really good animated series. But nothing to get excited about. I think all the Batman films are incredibly flawed.
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Aziz » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:29 pm

Batman 1989, my favorite movie, period
The Dark Knight (it does have some nonsense, but I love it a lot)
Batman Begins
Under the "Red Hood"
Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
SpOck needs to stay, he's Superior in every way
From Scimitar to Merciless, and I'm barely violent :p
Sweet Tooth Batman
BATMAN is an awesome movie
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Aziz » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:31 pm

Venomaniac wrote:Honestly...

I saw Mask of the Phantasm and I didnt love it

It was ok

At the risk of being shot, I thought the characterization of the Joker was the most boring part.
Joker was still Joker
The movie is good, not great, I agree that I'm not jumping on it
SpOck needs to stay, he's Superior in every way
From Scimitar to Merciless, and I'm barely violent :p
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Berserkfury819 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:49 pm

Batman 1989>Dark Knight. Commence flame war. :lol:
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby spidertour02 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:00 pm

I mentioned my "order" in a Skype IM chat with Berserkfury819 the other day, so I might as well post it here. :)

I'm only counting live action films, because I've only seen a couple of the animated ones ...

(1) Batman (1989)
(2) Batman Returns
(3) Batman Begins
(4) Batman: The Movie (1966)
(5) The Dark Knight
(6) Batman Forever
(7) Batman & Robin

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go hide under my desk to avoid the flying vegetables and bullets. :P
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Re: Favorite Batman Film

Postby Donomark » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:47 pm

Berserkfury819 wrote:Batman 1989>Dark Knight. Commence flame war. :lol:


Okay, here's my thing on the Burton movies.

1)Batman killing=fail
2) Focus is hardly on Batman, in favor of the villains and style over substance.
3) Poorly written. Too many things make little sense like Batman trying to shove the Bat-Wing up Joker's ass, and inexplicably failing, Catwoman waiting until the end of the movie to murder Max Schrek for no reason, Penguin wanting to kill the first born in Gotham. It's just all dumb.

I will give the movies credit for putting the idea of Batman as a dark character in the public mindset, and they aren't horrible. But compared to the Nolan movies, no. No, they do not hold up in my opinion. Keaton's good in the role, but he wasn't written all that well whereas I consider Bale to be very good in the role and his character to have been written well.
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