Astonishing Spider-man/Iron Man coming, and the return of...

[spidertour02]

GhostRider Road to Damnation

Did you ever read Ghost Rider: Trail of Tears? It was a follow-up of sorts by the same creative team, set in the post-Civil-War era (the real one, not the bullshit Millar one). That's his best interior work, in my opinion -- that thing was gorgeous.

[butters911]

Im hoping the whole thing was worded wrong, and its Spider man using the Iron Man armor or something.

[Tonyd117]

GhostRider Road to Damnation

Did you ever read Ghost Rider: Trail of Tears? It was a follow-up of sorts by the same creative team, set in the post-Civil-War era (the real one, not the bullshit Millar one). That's his best interior work, in my opinion -- that thing was gorgeous.

That was a beautiful piece of work.

[Thrawn]

GhostRider Road to Damnation

Did you ever read Ghost Rider: Trail of Tears? It was a follow-up of sorts by the same creative team, set in the post-Civil-War era (the real one, not the bullshit Millar one). That's his best interior work, in my opinion -- that thing was gorgeous.

I don't think I ever read the whole thing. But I seem to recall liking what I did read of it. And I agree. The artwork was gorgeous.

[Kevin Cushing]

Plus, it insinutes that Spidey doesn't have the force of will to control the symbiote when he was wearing it (as many What if's etc. alway show Spidey turning evil or the symbiote slowly devouring his adrenline to the point that he dies) but some random police officer we've never even met before has the strength of character to somehow can negate these effects.

I disagree entirely. Pat Mulligan got the Toxin symbiote right after it was born, allowing him to shape Toxin's sense of right and wrong, and his basic understanding of the world. The Venom symbiote was born on a different planet and had already lived long enough to form its own ideas before bonding with Peter. It's a very different situation.

[Hambone]

I disagree entirely. Pat Mulligan got the Toxin symbiote right after it was born, allowing him to shape Toxin's sense of right and wrong, and his basic understanding of the world. The Venom symbiote was born on a different planet and had already lived long enough to form its own ideas before bonding with Peter. It's a very different situation.

Well, if I remember correctly, Planet of the Symbiotes established that the only reason the Venom symbiote was locked up in that glass tube on Battleworld was because the other symbiotes "thought it was insane." (Ie: it didn't want to completely control it's host and go on a killing spree, it just wanted to kick it with Peter and have some wacky adventures together!) I don't see any reason why Pete, who we've seen countless times in the past overcoming the imposible due to sheer force of will and strength of convictions being able to form a mutual partnership with the Venom symbiote, which technically wasn't evil until it bonded with Brock.

But still, I think the line of symbiote-themed characters should've ended with Carnage. (Seriously, Hybrid???)

[Kevin Cushing]

Well, if I remember correctly, Planet of the Symbiotes established that the only reason the Venom symbiote was locked up in that glass tube on Battleworld was because the other symbiotes "thought it was insane."

Now I know you are not using Planet of the Shitty Stories as evidence

But still, I think the line of symbiote-themed characters should've ended with Carnage. (Seriously, Hybrid???)

To each his own. I agree I could have done without every symbiote between Carnage and Toxin, but I love Toxin. His mini-series was brilliant, and there is so much potential for that character. If the only three symbiotes are Venom, Carnage, and Toxin, each of them has a unique place in the world and each of them can be valuable characters if written well (that last part if a huge caveat). A cop trying to "raise" an adolescent symbiote while being forced to depend on the same symbiote for his powers can be a really compelling character, full of humor, pathos, and drama. The well just needs to be tapped.

[Hambone]

Now I know you are not using Planet of the Shitty Stories as evidence

Well, while I agree it was a horrible mess of a story, chock full of expliotation 90's nonsense, hoodies and mullets, the fact that it was written by the "authority on symbiotes", David Michelinie himself, should make it admissible as evidence. Judge?