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Re: Worst Spider-Man Stories Post-"One More Day"

Post by Cheesedique » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:33 pm

Spider-Padre wrote:If Superior Spider-Man had ended with a ringing victory for Peter and a calamitous collapse for Otto, SSM wouldn't belong on the Worst list. But instead it ended with Otto deciding pragmatically, not morally. Otto surrenders control back to Peter, not because he had developed some insight or empathy and so judged himself as having done wrong to Peter (a turn which would have made great dramatic sense, since Otto had re-lived Peter's life), but instead because he deemed Peter more likely to save Anna Marie -- a pragmatic judgment, which made murdering Otto look sympathetic.

Then Slott erased all of Otto's personal changes, rendering all of SSM pointless. I would have been interested in seeing Otto go forward struggling against conscience, and maybe have a permanent mind-block against killing Peter (because he would feel like he was killing himself). Instead, Otto's back to square one, and doesn't even have the portly body and homely mug to mark him as a distinctive villain anymore.
So much that could've been done with that story (I thought ASM #698 was actually shockingly effective), but it went splat, just like so many of slott's big arcs.

We never even got a cathartic moment, such as Cap punching out NaziCap in the recent conclusion of Secret Empire. Instead, it was Peter being made to feel bad for having his own life hijacked and for stupid reasons.

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Re: Worst Spider-Man Stories Post-"One More Day"

Post by RDMacQ » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:14 pm

Cheesedique wrote:
Spider-Padre wrote:If Superior Spider-Man had ended with a ringing victory for Peter and a calamitous collapse for Otto, SSM wouldn't belong on the Worst list. But instead it ended with Otto deciding pragmatically, not morally. Otto surrenders control back to Peter, not because he had developed some insight or empathy and so judged himself as having done wrong to Peter (a turn which would have made great dramatic sense, since Otto had re-lived Peter's life), but instead because he deemed Peter more likely to save Anna Marie -- a pragmatic judgment, which made murdering Otto look sympathetic.

Then Slott erased all of Otto's personal changes, rendering all of SSM pointless. I would have been interested in seeing Otto go forward struggling against conscience, and maybe have a permanent mind-block against killing Peter (because he would feel like he was killing himself). Instead, Otto's back to square one, and doesn't even have the portly body and homely mug to mark him as a distinctive villain anymore.
So much that could've been done with that story (I thought ASM #698 was actually shockingly effective), but it went splat, just like so many of slott's big arcs.

We never even got a cathartic moment, such as Cap punching out NaziCap in the recent conclusion of Secret Empire. Instead, it was Peter being made to feel bad for having his own life hijacked and for stupid reasons.
The backlash against Superior probably could have been largely averted for the most part if Slott stuck the landing. But since Slott doesn't know how to end a story, that isn't surprising.

Rather than have Peter winning a victory over Otto, instead we have Otto "Giving" his body back to Peter. And Peter grieves for a man who tried to kill him twice. Not to mention far more time is dedicated to mourning Peter than Otto. Anna Marie gets comforted for "losing" the man she loves, while MJ is depicted as a heartless shrew who "Can't handle" Peter's double life.

The whole thing just leaves a bad taste. Characters like Peter and MJ are made to look like "The bad guys," while we are meant to sympathize with Otto and Anna Marie- a villain who killed a man to save his own skin, and a Mary Sue creator's pet we barely know.

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Re: Worst Spider-Man Stories Post-"One More Day"

Post by Masked Guy » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:37 pm

Spider-Padre wrote:If Superior Spider-Man had ended with a ringing victory for Peter and a calamitous collapse for Otto, SSM wouldn't belong on the Worst list. But instead it ended with Otto deciding pragmatically, not morally. Otto surrenders control back to Peter, not because he had developed some insight or empathy and so judged himself as having done wrong to Peter (a turn which would have made great dramatic sense, since Otto had re-lived Peter's life), but instead because he deemed Peter more likely to save Anna Marie -- a pragmatic judgment, which made murdering Otto look sympathetic.

Then Slott erased all of Otto's personal changes, rendering all of SSM pointless. I would have been interested in seeing Otto go forward struggling against conscience, and maybe have a permanent mind-block against killing Peter (because he would feel like he was killing himself). Instead, Otto's back to square one, and doesn't even have the portly body and homely mug to mark him as a distinctive villain anymore.
I definitely agree with you on how poorly the aftermath was handled. Because Otto has no memory of his sacrifice, he has reverted back to villainy without any moral conflict whatsoever. Dan Slott has effectively rendered one of his biggest and most daring stories moot.

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