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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Cheesedique » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:01 pm

Masked Guy wrote:Yes, there was a lot of trash in the '90s. That being said, I tend to go a little easier on this decade than others because I'm such a big fan of J.M. DeMatteis and I think both of his stints on Spectacular are great.
Anything JMD and Spider-Man in the 90's was pretty great IMO (yes, even his Shriek story in ASM; there were some duds in his first Spec run however). About the only writer that had the chops to pull off the "overly serious tone".
Vaegrin wrote:Comics from the 90s feel to me like like they are in a state of transition. There is a lot more seriousness in comics from that decade than there had been before, but they had not yet achieved much polish and sophistication. Comics from the 90s did some interesting new things, but sometimes they tended to slip into cheesiness and melodrama.
To me, the 80's were generally polished and sophisticated (think the era of Jim Shooter, where as an EIC he actually leaned on people at Marvel to polish their craft, and got tons of crap for it in return), so if anything, the 90's were a backslide.

The 90's were largely the era where the artist took over, and Marvel & DC resorted to a crushing amount of gimmick covers, events and crossovers to compensate (and compete with Image). Then the bubble burst.

That's not to say there weren't bright spots--even the Clone Saga had Dan Jurgens' run with Spider-Ben which I thought was very well done. But it was around that time I first walked away from comics, I thought for good.
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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Thrawn » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:02 pm

Masked Guy wrote: Yes, there was a lot of trash in the '90s. That being said, I tend to go a little easier on this decade than others because I'm such a big fan of J.M. DeMatteis and I think both of his stints on Spectacular are great.
The 90s gets unfairly maligned. I have found that people often just say "comics were bad in the 90s" by reflex without any kind of thought at all. I think the mid 90s on was pretty bad. However there was actually a lot of gold in the 90s, a lot of which is still with us today.

As you just stated, J.M. DeMatteis' run for one. I just reread the Mutant Genesis tpb that collects Chris Claremonte and Jim Lee's X-Men 1-4. That was 91. That book was amazing. The artwork and the story is masterfully done. There is legitimate pathos, tragedy, humor, and story. It's great.

Even Michelinie's run that ended in the 90s; there's some very fun stuff in there. Spider-Man is in character, he's still kicking butt, he's funny...he's Spider-Man. And that's the 90s. Compare that to BND and Slott's current run.

It's not just nostalgia, the early 90s anyway, was pretty good. The 70s and 80s has its fair share of crap too.

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Masked Guy » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:50 pm

Cheesedique wrote:
Masked Guy wrote:Yes, there was a lot of trash in the '90s. That being said, I tend to go a little easier on this decade than others because I'm such a big fan of J.M. DeMatteis and I think both of his stints on Spectacular are great.
Anything JMD and Spider-Man in the 90's was pretty great IMO (yes, even his Shriek story in ASM; there were some duds in his first Spec run however). About the only writer that had the chops to pull off the "overly serious tone".
DeMatteis also wrote some really funny stories like Another Fine Mess (Spectacular vol. 1 #185), The Legion of Losers (Spectacular vol. 1 #246) and Through the Looking Glass (Spectacular vol. 1 #256).

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Masked Guy » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:52 pm

Thrawn wrote:
Masked Guy wrote: Yes, there was a lot of trash in the '90s. That being said, I tend to go a little easier on this decade than others because I'm such a big fan of J.M. DeMatteis and I think both of his stints on Spectacular are great.
The 90s gets unfairly maligned. I have found that people often just say "comics were bad in the 90s" by reflex without any kind of thought at all. I think the mid 90s on was pretty bad. However there was actually a lot of gold in the 90s, a lot of which is still with us today.

As you just stated, J.M. DeMatteis' run for one. I just reread the Mutant Genesis tpb that collects Chris Claremonte and Jim Lee's X-Men 1-4. That was 91. That book was amazing. The artwork and the story is masterfully done. There is legitimate pathos, tragedy, humor, and story. It's great.

Even Michelinie's run that ended in the 90s; there's some very fun stuff in there. Spider-Man is in character, he's still kicking butt, he's funny...he's Spider-Man. And that's the 90s. Compare that to BND and Slott's current run.

It's not just nostalgia, the early 90s anyway, was pretty good. The 70s and 80s has its fair share of crap too.

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I agree that the '90s did have a lot of gems poking through the muck and that it is a better decade overall than the 2010s so far.

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Cheesedique » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:00 pm

Masked Guy wrote:
Cheesedique wrote:
Masked Guy wrote:Yes, there was a lot of trash in the '90s. That being said, I tend to go a little easier on this decade than others because I'm such a big fan of J.M. DeMatteis and I think both of his stints on Spectacular are great.
Anything JMD and Spider-Man in the 90's was pretty great IMO (yes, even his Shriek story in ASM; there were some duds in his first Spec run however). About the only writer that had the chops to pull off the "overly serious tone".
DeMatteis also wrote some really funny stories like Another Fine Mess (Spectacular vol. 1 #185), The Legion of Losers (Spectacular vol. 1 #246) and Through the Looking Glass (Spectacular vol. 1 #256).
Believe I've read all of those.

We are talking about the guy who created The White Rabbit here. Funny how he could be dark and serious, and yet light and funny as well. Talk about yin and yang. He definitely made both approaches work on Spidey too.
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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Masked Guy » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:08 pm

Cheesedique wrote:Believe I've read all of those.

We are talking about the guy who created The White Rabbit here. Funny how he could be dark and serious, and yet light and funny as well. Talk about yin and yang. He definitely made both approaches work on Spidey too.
I found his ability to juggle different tones to be very impressive. It's one of the factors that placed him among my favorite writers.

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by MisterMets » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:25 pm

My list....


My list...
25. Arachnomorphosis (What If? #88)
24. The Owl-Octopus War (Peter Parker Spider-Man #72-79)
23. Amazing Fantasy #16-18
22. Venom (Amazing Spider-Man #300)
21. Shed (Amazing Spider-Man #630-633)
20. Coming Home (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 #30-35, 37-38)
19. Spider-Man/ Human Torch: I'm With Stupid
18. The Clone Saga (Ultimate Spider-Man #97-105)
17. Return of the Burglar (Amazing Spider-Man #193-200)
16. Disaster (Amazing Spider-Man #53-59)
15. Unscheduled Stop (Amazing Spider-Man #578-579)
14. One Small Break (Peter Parker Spider-Man #30-32)
13. No One Dies (Amazing Spider-Man #655-656)
12. High Tide (Spider-Man VS Wolverine)
11. Down Among the Dead Men (Marvel Knights Spider-Man #1-12)
10. Hero or Menace? (Superior Spider-Man #1-10)
9. Spider-Man Blue
8. The Death of Jean Dewolff (Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #107-110)
7. Learning Curve (Ultimate Spider-Man #8-13)
6. Spider-Man (Amazing Fantasy #15)
5. Kraven's Last Hunt
4. Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut (Amazing Spider-Man #229-230)
3. The Master Planner Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #31-33)
2. The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man #248)
1. "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" (Amazing Spider-Man #121-122)

There are three that I wouldn't rate with the others because of a combination of length and form that would otherwise make the list.
- The Hobgoblin Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #238-251)
- The DeMatteis Harry Osborn Saga (Spectacular Spider-Man #178-190, 194-200)
- Spider-Man 2 (Film)

* Edit- Wrong What If? issue.
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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Masked Guy » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:41 pm

MisterMets wrote:My list....


My list...
25. Arachnomorphosis (What If? #89)
24. The Owl-Octopus War (Peter Parker Spider-Man #72-79)
23. Amazing Fantasy #16-18
22. Venom (Amazing Spider-Man #300)
21. Shed (Amazing Spider-Man #630-633)
20. Coming Home (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 #30-35, 37-38)
19. Spider-Man/ Human Torch: I'm With Stupid
18. The Clone Saga (Ultimate Spider-Man #97-105)
17. Return of the Burglar (Amazing Spider-Man #193-200)
16. Disaster (Amazing Spider-Man #53-59)
15. Unscheduled Stop (Amazing Spider-Man #578-579)
14. One Small Break (Peter Parker Spider-Man #30-32)
13. No One Dies (Amazing Spider-Man #655-656)
12. High Tide (Spider-Man VS Wolverine)
11. Down Among the Dead Men (Marvel Knights Spider-Man #1-12)
10. Hero or Menace? (Superior Spider-Man #1-10)
9. Spider-Man Blue
8. The Death of Jean Dewolff (Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #107-110)
7. Learning Curve (Ultimate Spider-Man #8-13)
6. Spider-Man (Amazing Fantasy #15)
5. Kraven's Last Hunt
4. Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut (Amazing Spider-Man #229-230)
3. The Master Planner Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #31-33)
2. The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man #248)
1. "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" (Amazing Spider-Man #121-122)

There are three that I wouldn't rate with the others because of a combination of length and form that would otherwise make the list.
- The Hobgoblin Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #238-251)
- The DeMatteis Harry Osborn Saga (Spectacular Spider-Man #178-190, 194-200)
- Spider-Man 2 (Film)
That's a shame because I think The Hobgoblin Saga and The Harry Osborn Saga are more than deserving of a place on your list. Despite being divided into parts, they truly represent some of the best of their respective decades.

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

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MisterMets wrote:My list....


My list...
25. Arachnomorphosis (What If? #89)
By the way, Mets, the Arachnomorphosis story was actually What If? #88.

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by MisterMets » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:17 am

Masked Guy wrote:
MisterMets wrote:My list....


My list...
25. Arachnomorphosis (What If? #89)
24. The Owl-Octopus War (Peter Parker Spider-Man #72-79)
23. Amazing Fantasy #16-18
22. Venom (Amazing Spider-Man #300)
21. Shed (Amazing Spider-Man #630-633)
20. Coming Home (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 #30-35, 37-38)
19. Spider-Man/ Human Torch: I'm With Stupid
18. The Clone Saga (Ultimate Spider-Man #97-105)
17. Return of the Burglar (Amazing Spider-Man #193-200)
16. Disaster (Amazing Spider-Man #53-59)
15. Unscheduled Stop (Amazing Spider-Man #578-579)
14. One Small Break (Peter Parker Spider-Man #30-32)
13. No One Dies (Amazing Spider-Man #655-656)
12. High Tide (Spider-Man VS Wolverine)
11. Down Among the Dead Men (Marvel Knights Spider-Man #1-12)
10. Hero or Menace? (Superior Spider-Man #1-10)
9. Spider-Man Blue
8. The Death of Jean Dewolff (Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #107-110)
7. Learning Curve (Ultimate Spider-Man #8-13)
6. Spider-Man (Amazing Fantasy #15)
5. Kraven's Last Hunt
4. Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut (Amazing Spider-Man #229-230)
3. The Master Planner Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #31-33)
2. The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man #248)
1. "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" (Amazing Spider-Man #121-122)

There are three that I wouldn't rate with the others because of a combination of length and form that would otherwise make the list.
- The Hobgoblin Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #238-251)
- The DeMatteis Harry Osborn Saga (Spectacular Spider-Man #178-190, 194-200)
- Spider-Man 2 (Film)
That's a shame because I think The Hobgoblin Saga and The Harry Osborn Saga are more than deserving of a place on your list. Despite being divided into parts, they truly represent some of the best of their respective decades.
Their exclusion has nothing to do with quality. I just think it's multiple stories, due to a combination of length and the creative teams telling different stories in between Spider-Man's encounters with the goblins.

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Masked Guy » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:13 pm

MisterMets wrote:
Masked Guy wrote:
MisterMets wrote:My list....


My list...
25. Arachnomorphosis (What If? #89)
24. The Owl-Octopus War (Peter Parker Spider-Man #72-79)
23. Amazing Fantasy #16-18
22. Venom (Amazing Spider-Man #300)
21. Shed (Amazing Spider-Man #630-633)
20. Coming Home (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 2 #30-35, 37-38)
19. Spider-Man/ Human Torch: I'm With Stupid
18. The Clone Saga (Ultimate Spider-Man #97-105)
17. Return of the Burglar (Amazing Spider-Man #193-200)
16. Disaster (Amazing Spider-Man #53-59)
15. Unscheduled Stop (Amazing Spider-Man #578-579)
14. One Small Break (Peter Parker Spider-Man #30-32)
13. No One Dies (Amazing Spider-Man #655-656)
12. High Tide (Spider-Man VS Wolverine)
11. Down Among the Dead Men (Marvel Knights Spider-Man #1-12)
10. Hero or Menace? (Superior Spider-Man #1-10)
9. Spider-Man Blue
8. The Death of Jean Dewolff (Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #107-110)
7. Learning Curve (Ultimate Spider-Man #8-13)
6. Spider-Man (Amazing Fantasy #15)
5. Kraven's Last Hunt
4. Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut (Amazing Spider-Man #229-230)
3. The Master Planner Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #31-33)
2. The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man #248)
1. "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" (Amazing Spider-Man #121-122)

There are three that I wouldn't rate with the others because of a combination of length and form that would otherwise make the list.
- The Hobgoblin Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #238-251)
- The DeMatteis Harry Osborn Saga (Spectacular Spider-Man #178-190, 194-200)
- Spider-Man 2 (Film)
That's a shame because I think The Hobgoblin Saga and The Harry Osborn Saga are more than deserving of a place on your list. Despite being divided into parts, they truly represent some of the best of their respective decades.
Their exclusion has nothing to do with quality. I just think it's multiple stories, due to a combination of length and the creative teams telling different stories in between Spider-Man's encounters with the goblins.
Fair enough, but I still would have included them personally. Thank you for sharing your list.

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Masked Guy » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:47 pm

This was an...interesting list. Read it for yourself and you'll see what I mean.

http://whatculture.com/comics/11-essent ... f=homepage

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Masked Guy » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Newsarama recently posted their top 10:

https://www.newsarama.com/36694-the-top ... ories.html

Pretty good list overall.

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Re: The Greatest Spider-Man Stories of All Time

Post by Cheesedique » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:42 pm

Masked Guy wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:18 pm
Newsarama recently posted their top 10:

https://www.newsarama.com/36694-the-top ... ories.html

Pretty good list overall.
The Gauntlet at like #6, I mean, really?

Were they reaching that badly for something more modern to include? In that case they should've added Millar's Marvel Knights.
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