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Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

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'Academy CARNAGE!' - Who Wins?

Poll ended at Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:57 pm

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Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby George Berryman » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:57 pm

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"Observe, mortals! It is I, Uatu - he who men do call the WATCHER! The hour of conflict is at hand!"

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"I have dispatched Shang Chi to attend to an urgent matter, and I will be your guide through this Friendly Fire Fight Club specialty event. Though I am bound to not interfere in mankind's triumphs and tragedies I am still compelled to alert you to a cataclysm that affects us all! The Marvel Universe is colliding - violently - with the Star Wars Universe. While many heroes and villains from each realm are searching for a way to stop this doom they are also drawn into conflict. Through these skirmishes they must each find the answers to restore stability to their realities while simultaneously facing off against one another."

"As the peril rages the doom facing two universes is spreading out across all of the fictional multiverse! And in our seventh match, puppet master FSUSpiderFan has challenged Two-Bit Specialist, who has accepted and thirsts to make cosmic mischief. As his champion, Two-Bit Specialist has selected an Imperial Agent known for espionage, treachery and deadly use of the Force... LUMIYA!"

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"In retaliation, FSUSpiderFan has called upon the daughter of the 'One True Spider-Man'... the 'One True Spider-Girl,' MAYDAY PARKER!"

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"The omnipotent entity referred to by your reality as 'the Commissioner' has decreed that these two shall face one another in an alternate future Earth from the Star Trek Universe at STARFLEET ACADEMY!"

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"Preparing young Starfleet Officers to adventure in remote space, the Starfleet Academy of Earth 2258 was where James T. Kirk and Leonard 'Bones' McCoy first met Spock in the altered Star Trek timeline."

"Now! The very HEAVENS await your judgments! You, the Fight Clubber, are now both savior and executioner! CHOOSE!"

"I am Uatu. I have spoken. Now... I watch."



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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby FSUSpiderFan » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:05 pm

Spider-Girl, while young has thwarted some very powerful foes. May has beaten the Snake God Seth that has given Thor trouble in the past. She also fought an advanced Superskrull.

Spider-Girl has received fight training from her father, Phil Urich, and Electra. She has more direct fight and super heroing instruction than her Peter ever had.

Spider-Girl is much stronger than Lumiya. May can lift up to 5 tons. She is also faster and more agile than her father.
She can repel off of a surface. This is generally used to add power to her jumps, but has also been used to repel people and objects away from her at great speeds.

She will be able to avoid the blows from Lumiya's light whip with her agility and spider sense. She can also use her webbing to take it away.

May can cover the Sith in webbing and shoot her with stingers.
May used mechanical web-shooters based on Ben Reilly's web-shooter design, but longer and narrower. They can fire impact webbing and metal needles called "Stingers".


May also has a power that her father doesn't have. May can magnetize an object by touching it. A magnetized object will stick to a wall without falling off, and she can also force an object at high speeds away from her with reverse magnetism.Her electrostatic ability to stick to surfaces is considerably more powerful than Peter's. She also has the ability to transmit this ability through objects for short distances. For example, Spider-Girl could stick to the floor, and by transmitting her electrostatic "stickiness" through the floor, cause all people and objects in contact with the floor (within a reasonable distance) to become stuck in place.


Not many people realize that Darth Vader's powers were limited by his mechanical parts. Lumiya is similarly limited but Vader started out much more powerful in the force than she ever was.
However, while unlimited paths to power were made available to and explored by Lumiya, her requisite prosthetic enhancements considerably limited her ability to realize many of them.Thus, while her knowledge of battle meditation and the extremely-effective Sith battle coordination was absolute, she was unable to actually influence combat in that manner, a handicap she attributed to her prostheses.


One of Lumiya's most significant feats is to fool people with illusions and Force phantoms but these powers drain her.
Force phantoms were of a considerable drain on Lumiya's reserves and thus required the well of dark side energy found beneath The Home to fuel the technique, as well as copious amounts of rest afterward. Diminished health elevated the strain and threatened to wrack the Dark Lady with spasms of pain and exhaustion.

Spider-Girl can also perceive real threats and ignore the illusions with her spider sense. Her spider sense is more advanced than Spider-Man.
She also has the subconscious premonition of "danger" sense known as her "spider-sense." May's spider-sense seems to be more developed than her fathers.: Whereas Spider-Man could only get a feeling that a particular spot was dangerous to him (or similarly to the preservation of his secret identity), Spider-Girl is able to sense the exact direction from which the danger comes. In addition, whereas Spider-Man's spider-sense simply registered a general sense of danger (with the strength of the response being in proportion to the amount of danger he was in), Spider-Girl can recognize sources of danger. This allows her to determine whether the danger is posed by a familiar source (such as an attack by a familiar foe) or is a new threat.

She has also been able to use her spider sense to determine the most dangerous parts and weakest parts of an opponent so she can avoid or target them. She has been known to purposely fight blind folded and rely soley on her spider sense. She used this to defeat Lady Octopus who's arms had been programmed to anticipate Spider-Girl's movements.
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While the futuristic setting may seem to favor the Sith, not really. It is on Earth, granted far in the future but Lumiya has never been on Earth. May lives on Earth and can relate to the school setting. The technology is not that far from some of the high tech stuff that Spider-Girl has dealt with in her adventures.

Just for fun, here is May bitch slapping Kaine...
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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby Thrawn » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:33 am

I'll wait for Two-Bit to post arguments before I vote. I could see this going either way. For sheer power I'd say Mayday has the advantage, but skill and cunning goes to Lumiya.

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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby Two-Bit Specialist » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:21 am

Da heck, you guys. I never got my PM that my match was up! :evil: Good thing I had enough sense to check the board.

I was hoping people would be more familiar with Lumiya, as she's one of the big players beyond Episode VI.

Lumiya was once Shira Brie, a high-ranking cadet of the Imperial academy. Before she became Lumiya, she was hand-picked by Darth Vader himself to infiltrate the Rebel Alliance and ruin Luke Skywalker’s reputation. She succeeded, at the cost of her body.

Vader rescued her and transformed her into Lumiya. She was trained in the ways of the Sith by both Vader and Palpatine, eventually becoming a member of the Emperor’s Hand (basically, the Emperor’s secret service). Next to the Emperor and Vader, she was the strongest Sith warrior in the galaxy.

The armour protecting her body is made of durasteel material, which “caused especially serious injury when an organic being connected with a physical attack.” Good luck trying to land a hit.

A master of armed and unarmed combat, her signature weapon is the lightwhip, made of Mandalorian iron and powered by shards of Kaiburr crystal. Her whip is a multi-stranded device of equal parts studded leather, strands of metal, and coherent lightsaber energy. It will slice through anything. It has a radius of 5 meters (over 15 feet) and can be shortened for close-ranged combat.

Darth Vader himself trained her in the way of the Force. According to the Star Wars Wiki:

Indeed, she fought on equal and sometimes superior ground with Jedi Grand Master Luke Skywalker, widely considered the greatest living swordsman in the galaxy. Those unfamiliar with her whip were immediately confounded, while some premeditated strategy in preparation for a confrontation with Lumiya.


Because there’s no prep time in Fight Club, Mayday will not know how to deal with Lumiya’s lightwhip. The Dark Lady used it “with lethal efficiency.” Not even Luke was able to overcome her in their first fight. As a matter of fact, he had to put together that second shoto-saber for his rematch. Mayday does not have the benefit of knowing her battle tactics like he did.

Her Force powers include mind tricks, Force Telekinesis, Force Deflection (energy armour to protect her against blasters, should the situation call for it, especially at Starfleet), Battlemind (the “focused resolve augmentation”, which would give her a greater drive and concentration to defeat Mayday) and Force phantoms. From the wiki:

Lumiya’s most prominent talent, however, lay in the creation of illusions of all kind: visual enhancements of one’s appearance when viewed through reflective surfaces; concealment of her own appearance, and the reverse; dazzling alterations of reality; doppelgangers whose sustained damage was inflicted instead upon the perpetrator; phantasms born purely of the dark side…She nonetheless perfected the ability and was able to create and direct hundreds of them simultaneously, in different shapes and sizes, and at multiple targets—all across the galaxy.


How would Mayday be able to defend against any of this? Spider-sense? Peter Parker himself put it this way: the spider-sense is not a “get out of jail free card.” These ain’t Mysterio’s cheap tricks. Force powers of this magnitude should be capable of overloading Mayday’s spider-sense, especially if she’s capable of emanating “waves of pure hatred.”

Also, webbing away the lightwhip? Even if she somehow managed it (and if it was that easy, any Jedi would do it), Lumiya will just use Force Telekinesis to recover it.

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The range of the lightwhip's extensions allowed Lumiya to attack her enemies from a vantage point of several meters; this made it extremely difficult for them to closely engage the Dark Lady and allowed her to maintain control of combat situations. The whip's tails could have splayed in a vertical attack pattern, which allowed Lumiya to strike high, midway, and low all at once. Conversely, fanning the whip's tresses out in a horizontal flourish gave it the appearance of a weaponized cloud; this maneuver prevented contenders from sidestepping to evade the impending assault. Attempting to defend oneself by twirling a lightsaber into a shielding arc was also useless, because the lightwhip's reach extended over and beyond the length of the blade. If her guard was somehow penetrated, Lumiya was able to use the whip like a short lightsaber to parry incoming attacks, and she had the ability to even handle it like a staff to block the blades of adversaries.


And for those of you who always seem to favour experience over everything else, Lumiya has trained in the ways of the Sith for decades. You are not about to tell me that a teenager is going to overcome the Mistress of the Sith, are you (especially when she consistently gives the Grand Master of the Jedi a hard time)? ;)
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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby FSUSpiderFan » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:00 pm

Two-Bit Specialist wrote:The armour protecting her body is made of durasteel material, which “caused especially serious injury when an organic being connected with a physical attack.” Good luck trying to land a hit.

Her face is still exposed for a nice knuckle sandwich from our friendly neighborhood Spider-Girl. May has a major advantage in strength. Lumiya would not survive one of her blows. It would literally break her face.

May can also stick Lumiya to the floor rendering her immobile while she pummels her.

Two-Bit Specialist wrote: Because there’s no prep time in Fight Club, Mayday will not know how to deal with Lumiya’s lightwhip.

May is improvisational fighter, relying on her instincts and highly toned spider sense. May also has the advantage in speed and agility. She will be hopping around avoiding the whip until she has an opening. Much like she did with a certain Octopus.

Two-Bit Specialist wrote:How would Mayday be able to defend against any of this? Spider-sense? Peter Parker himself put it this way: the spider-sense is not a “get out of jail free card.” These ain’t Mysterio’s cheap tricks. Force powers of this magnitude should be capable of overloading Mayday’s spider-sense, especially if she’s capable of emanating “waves of pure hatred.”

Mayday has a superior spider sense to her father. She has learned to ignore other senses and rely on it.

Two-Bit Specialist wrote:Also, webbing away the lightwhip? Even if she somehow managed it (and if it was that easy, any Jedi would do it), Lumiya will just use Force Telekinesis to recover it.


When she is drenched in impact webbing it will be hard for Lumiya to swing her whip. If May does pull the whip away with her web she will only need a second to then be on top of Lumiya breaking her skull.
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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby Two-Bit Specialist » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:48 pm

FSUSpiderFan wrote:Her face is still exposed for a nice knuckle sandwich from our friendly neighborhood Spider-Girl. May has a major advantage in strength. Lumiya would not survive one of her blows. It would literally break her face.

May can also stick Lumiya to the floor rendering her immobile while she pummels her.


You're ignoring the fact that Mayday can't possibly get anywhere close to Lumiya's face. The lightwhip is designed to keep enemies at bay. They are made from the same stuff as lightsaber's. Surely you know what happens when a lighsaber comes into contact with ANYTHING, right? Human tissue, webbing. It doesn't matter.

Let me repost this so you can see why that plan of attack is not a good idea:

The range of the lightwhip's extensions allowed Lumiya to attack her enemies from a vantage point of several meters; this made it extremely difficult for them to closely engage the Dark Lady and allowed her to maintain control of combat situations. The whip's tails could have splayed in a vertical attack pattern, which allowed Lumiya to strike high, midway, and low all at once. Conversely, fanning the whip's tresses out in a horizontal flourish gave it the appearance of a weaponized cloud; this maneuver prevented contenders from sidestepping to evade the impending assault. Attempting to defend oneself by twirling a lightsaber into a shielding arc was also useless, because the lightwhip's reach extended over and beyond the length of the blade. If her guard was somehow penetrated, Lumiya was able to use the whip like a short lightsaber to parry incoming attacks, and she had the ability to even handle it like a staff to block the blades of adversaries.


FSUSpiderfan wrote:May is improvisational fighter, relying on her instincts and highly toned spider sense. May also has the advantage in speed and agility. She will be hopping around avoiding the whip until she has an opening. Much like she did with a certain Octopus.


More improvisational than LUKE SKYWALKER. Come on, man!

FSUSpiderfan wrote:Mayday has a superior spider sense to her father. She has learned to ignore other senses and rely on it.


Yes, because Peter's spider-sense was SO reliable. That's not saying much.

FSUSpiderfan wrote:When she is drenched in impact webbing it will be hard for Lumiya to swing her whip. If May does pull the whip away with her web she will only need a second to then be on top of Lumiya breaking her skull.


In order for this to work, you have to take into account the following:

1) Mayday has to catch Lumiya off-guard. She's a Master Sith. I don't see that happening. Especially with her spy and Emperor's Hand background.

2) Impact webbing or any king of webbing somehow passing through the lightwhip tendrils without disintegrating.

By all means, I don't mean to insult your Star Wars knowledge, but this is how lightsabers work. What makes you think that the same can't happen to Mayday?

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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby tnr105 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:52 pm

Thinking Mayday right now, but I honestly don't know much about Lumiya.
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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby Two-Bit Specialist » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:54 pm

tnr105 wrote:Thinking Mayday right now, but I honestly don't know much about Lumiya.


Sigh. Why do I even bother? [smilie=spidey_shrug.gif]
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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby George Berryman » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:01 pm

Two-Bit Specialist wrote:Da heck, you guys. I never got my PM that my match was up! :evil:


I thought I sent it. Double checked and nope, I forgot to send out the PM. Sorry.

Two-Bit Specialist wrote:Good thing I had enough sense to check the board.


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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby AmFan15 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:05 am

Sorry, Two-Bit, but I firmly believe Spider-Girl takes this fight.

The image of Mayday fighting Lady Ock blindfolded convinces me that yes, she could definitely avoid the whip.
And as for being caught off guard by it...really? She has even more advanced Spider-Sense than her old man did. I don't buy that she could be taken by surprise just because she doesn't know about Lumiya's concealed weapons, or her mastery of said weapon.

Also, in reading Lumiya's Wiki, I found this:
However, while unlimited paths to power were made available to and explored by Lumiya, her requisite prosthetic enhancements considerably limited her ability to realize many of them. Thus, while her knowledge of battle meditation and the extremely-effective Sith battle coordination was absolute, she was unable to actually influence combat in that manner, a handicap she attributed to her prostheses.


Finally, Lumiya's armor may protect her from physical attacks, and would apparently hurt Mayday if she made contact with it...but again, her advanced Spider-Sense would automatically warn her not to touch it. Instead, she could use her webbing (and her advanced static abilities) to immobilize Lumiya...which would count as a Fight Club victory.
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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby Two-Bit Specialist » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:15 am

AmFan15 wrote:Also, in reading Lumiya's Wiki, I found this:
However, while unlimited paths to power were made available to and explored by Lumiya, her requisite prosthetic enhancements considerably limited her ability to realize many of them. Thus, while her knowledge of battle meditation and the extremely-effective Sith battle coordination was absolute, she was unable to actually influence combat in that manner, a handicap she attributed to her prostheses.


No offense, but you're reading that wrong. That's saying she's studied a wide variety of Sith abilities (such as Force lightning) but could only use what wasn't hampered by her prosthesis. These are the same restrictions that Darth Vader had (he couldn't use Force lightning, for instance), and yet he was still the most feared Sith in the galaxy. She's mastered those abilities that are not hindered by her prosthesis, such as EVERYTHING in the Fight Card.

I can't believe the Sith Lady that defeated Luke Skywalker in combat can't supposedly defeat a teenage girl. This is ridiculous. I might as well give up right now.
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Re: Friendly Fire Fight Club #256 - 'Academy CARNAGE!'

Postby FSUSpiderFan » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:30 am

Two-Bit Specialist wrote:No offense, but you're reading that wrong. That's saying she's studied a wide variety of Sith abilities (such as Force lightning) but could only use what wasn't hampered by her prosthesis. These are the same restrictions that Darth Vader had (he couldn't use Force lightning, for instance), and yet he was still the most feared Sith in the galaxy. She's mastered those abilities that are not hindered by her prosthesis, such as EVERYTHING in the Fight Card.

I can't believe the Sith Lady that defeated Luke Skywalker in combat can't supposedly defeat a teenage girl. This is ridiculous. I might as well give up right now.

Don't give up. This is fun. Darth Vader had more innate Force power going in before he was hampered by prosthetics so that isn't a valid comparison. May is a teenager but she has vast experience with deadly foes and is able to sense their most dangerous/weakest points to exploit. May also has far superior strength, agility, and speed. May also has her webbing, impact webbing, and stingers she can use at long range.
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