Friendly Fire Fight Club #180 - 'FINAL FANTASY!'

[George Berryman]

"It is I, Bruce Lee, the deadliest man to have ever walked the Earth with the possible exception of John Wayne or George Berryman. The Gong of Conflict has once again been pounded upon - it is time to FIGHT!"



"Recently FSUSpiderFan challenged GeorgeEl, who accepted. As his champion GeorgeEl chose a star from the Disney stable... ALADDIN!"



"In response, FSUSpiderFan went with another popular children's character, but opted for the literary version over the Disney version... PETER PAN!"



"With the combatants chosen, George Berryman informs me that he has selected the Labyrinth as tonight's fight venue."



"Jareth's Labyrinth, featured in the 1986 Jim Henson film of the same name, is the setting for a fairy tale involving a young girl trying to rescue her infant brother from the Goblin King.

"Thief with a heart of gold up against a Peanut Butter mascot! Those are your choices! Who wins? Who loses? You decide. Vote NOW! Take us away, Elvis Presley!"

[Spider-Girl]

This is a tough one. I will be interested to hear some arguments!

[CrazyChris]

This is really interesting. Very tentatively I'm going with Aladdin because the environment seems like more his bag. Aladdin spends more time delving dungeon-like areas. Plus, his carpet seems almost sentient and could possibly wrap Pan up like a pig in a blanket while Aladdin slits his throat. I'd like to hear some more arguments.

[George Berryman]

This is really interesting. Very tentatively I'm going with Aladdin because the environment seems like more his bag. Aladdin spends more time delving dungeon-like areas. Plus, his carpet seems almost sentient and could possibly wrap Pan up like a pig in a blanket while Aladdin slits his throat. I'd like to hear some more arguments.

For this fight the carpet's just a flying carpet. He's not a third combatant.

[FSUSpiderFan]

Aladdin has used a sword but is not skilled. He basically picked one up while being chased one day. He has no where near the fighting prowess of Peter Pan. Peter has been fighting pirates that are more than twice his size for decades in Neverland. He was able to cut off Captain Hook's hand who is a very skilled swordsman and basically toys with all of these men. When Aladdin is in a fight he is running for his life and desperately fending people off. Peter is having a great time because he has been doing it so long it all comes with ease.

The location being in the Labyrinth will work to Peter's advantage. Peter's amazing hearing and vision will assist him in navigating the maze. Peter can also feel danger in what is almost a Spidey sense that will also help him with the creatures and treacherous aspects of the Labyrinth. Meanwhile, Aladdin will be doing what he usually does, looking to steal something or running scared shitless. Peter can use his voice throwing and mimicry to confuse Aladdin and trick him into dangerous areas.

[George Berryman]

Peter can also feel danger in what is almost a Spidey sense that will also help him with the creatures and treacherous aspects of the Labyrinth.

That's true and I completely left that off the fight card. Damn. Fixing that now.

EDIT: Also noticed I forgot to list him having a sword on the Fight Card. Also correcting that as well. Sorry FSU!

[CrazyChris]

I think you have good points, FSU. Aladdin is constantly running away while Peter Pan laughs at danger and toys with his opponents. I'll switch my vote, but I might switch back if there's an equally good rebuttal.

[GeorgeEl]

Aladdin has used a sword but is not skilled. He basically picked one up while being chased one day. He has no where near the fighting prowess of Peter Pan. Peter has been fighting pirates that are more than twice his size for decades in Neverland. He was able to cut off Captain Hook's hand who is a very skilled swordsman and basically toys with all of these men. When Aladdin is in a fight he is running for his life and desperately fending people off. Peter is having a great time because he has been doing it so long it all comes with ease.

The location being in the Labyrinth will work to Peter's advantage. Peter's amazing hearing and vision will assist him in navigating the maze. Peter can also feel danger in what is almost a Spidey sense that will also help him with the creatures and treacherous aspects of the Labyrinth. Meanwhile, Aladdin will be doing what he usually does, looking to steal something or running scared shitless. Peter can use his voice throwing and mimicry to confuse Aladdin and trick him into dangerous areas.

There is definitely a rebuttal! Pan is the better swordsman, but unfortunately for him, Aladdin is not limited to swordfighting; this is not a venom corrolary match. Aladdin has daily experience dodging and toying with armed, experienced palace guards:

Notice that he has enough time to stop and sing to the people chasing him! He is also agile enough to pull the pants off a guard swinging a sword at him. There is also some offense going on here when he kicks the barrels down on the guards. He could knock them out at any point rather than run away if he chose, and he can do that easily to Peter Pan.

Something that he really has going for him in this fight is his smarts. I will definitely be able to outwit Peter Pan in this match, like he was able to outwit Jafar, the 2nd highest official in Agrabah, who's schemes would have succeeded if not for Aladdin. Outwitting Peter Pan in comparison will be child's play.


And the labyrinth is definitely an advantage to Aladdin. It is so much like the marketplace it's not even funny, and we've already seen how capable Aladdin is there. There is no one better at being able to use the surroundings he'll find there to climb up, down, through, ect. to get the upper hand in this fight. Aladdin FTW!

[AmFan15]

This is actually QUITE an interesting fight! Both of these characters have abilities that make this a very close call...both are skilled swordsmen, can fly, and are quite agile.

Aladdin has more experience in mazes, caves, and dungeons, and he was clever enough to have defeated the sorcerer Jafar...but on the other hand, he got by with a LOT of help from his friends. And aside from the carpet, he's on his own here.
Peter Pan routinely fights Captain Hook and his band of pirates, who I consider quite a bit more fearsome than the palace guards. And his early warning sense is an immense advantage here.


Honestly, this fight comes down to one thing for me:
Pan's flight is dependent upon having a supply of Pixie Dust on hand. But Tinkerbell's not here to give him his fix. EVENTUALLY, he will be grounded.
Aladdin, however, can't run out of flying carpet. He can go wherever he wants, and fly as long as he wants.

(EDIT: I may be completely wrong about this. It seems logical to me that the effects of pixie dust would wear off after a while, but then again, "logic" doesn't really come into play when dealing with an eternally young boy who can fly, hangs out with fairies, and fights pirates...)

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I'm going with Aladdin, based on this. It's not written in stone, however. If enough people think enough "Happy Thoughts", I might change my vote.
(And by "Happy Thoughts", I mean solid, well-thought-out arguments...Not like when George thinks about Christina Hendricks! )

One thing I'm curious about though...What exactly happens if someone touches Peter Pan?

[George Berryman]

One thing I'm curious about though...What exactly happens if someone touches Peter Pan?

... They go to jail?

[CrazyChris]

Do they at least get to pass Go?

EDIT: Can I get some details on the duration of Pixie Dust? I don't recall anyone ever running out of it once exposed, but my memory is fuzzy. If anyone can confirm an example of someone needing a re-up then I'll have to take that into consideration.

[FSUSpiderFan]

In Peter Pan in Scarlet, it says that when Curly's puppy licks Peter, it licks off a lot of fairy dust, which may be interpreted to mean that he has become fairy-like to the point of producing his own dust, but could also simply mean that he spends so much time with fairies that he is coated in their dust.

It's not like Peter is a coke addict needing to constantly get a hit off of Tink. He has plenty of fairy dust and happy thoughts to last him through the fight.

Here is an example of Peter's fighting skills that are close to the original story. Mind you he is fighting opponents that are much more skilled and vicious than Aladdin.

[Thrawn]

What part of the Labyrinth are they fighting in? Cause there's a lot of it.

My initial thought was for Pan because of his flight. However, after I started to think about it, I believe this match is 50/50 worse case scenario. Peter can fly, but Aladdin can negate that with the magic carpet. Peter Pan has the stats of a child, while Aladdin is a very physically fit man. So strength, size, and weight favor Aladdin.

I don't think the environment favors either one. Never Land is full of crazy stuff, and Aladdin has been to lands equally as crazy.

I think I'm going to go with Aladdin for now because of the experience. GeorgeEl went with the Disney Aladdin and aside from the movies, Aladdin had a television series. In that show he fought and defeated dragons, dinosaurs, demons, sorcerers, and all kinds of crazy crap. A flying kid, even one as skilled as Peter, is not something that's going to throw him for a loop. Combine the magic carpet, with his superior size and strength, and I think Aladdin has more advantages than Peter.

I'm open to changing my mind, cause like I said, I think this is 50/50 but it seems to me like Aladdin has more cards in his favor. Like Peter Pan has three aces, but Aladdin has four.

This fight is freaking awesome guys. Congrats FSU. Peter Pan has been on my list of combatants to use since season one. It's nice to see someone else use him.

FSU wrote:

It's not like Peter is a coke addict needing to constantly get a hit off of Tink.

That's is too freaking funny dude.
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And this is the greatest fight location we've ever seen. My two all time favorite movies are Big Trouble in Little China and Labyrinth. I love them both so much, I can't choose between the two. Bravo George. Bravo.

[Tonyd117]

Whenever I come across an evenly matched fight club event, I ask the Great Arbiter of All Things (in my house), my six year old son, John. When I asked him who would win in a fight between Aladdin and Peter Pan, he asked if the genie was going to help Aladdin. Upon hearing Aladdin fights alone("Not even the monkey Dad?!"), he shrugged his shoulders and said "Peter'd win easy. He can fly." I told him Aladdin had the magic carpet to help him fly. "Dad, its just a rug. Peter can slice it up with his sword." So there you have it Fight Clubbers, I'm voting Peter Pan.

[GeorgeEl]

What part of the Labyrinth are they fighting in? Cause there's a lot of it.

My initial thought was for Pan because of his flight. However, after I started to think about it, I believe this match is 50/50 worse case scenario. Peter can fly, but Aladdin can negate that with the magic carpet. Peter Pan has the stats of a child, while Aladdin is a very physically fit man. So strength, size, and weight favor Aladdin.

I don't think the environment favors either one. Never Land is full of crazy stuff, and Aladdin has been to lands equally as crazy.

I think I'm going to go with Aladdin for now because of the experience. GeorgeEl went with the Disney Aladdin and aside from the movies, Aladdin had a television series. In that show he fought and defeated dragons, dinosaurs, demons, sorcerers, and all kinds of crazy crap. A flying kid, even one as skilled as Peter, is not something that's going to throw him for a loop. Combine the magic carpet, with his superior size and strength, and I think Aladdin has more advantages than Peter.

I'm open to changing my mind, cause like I said, I think this is 50/50 but it seems to me like Aladdin has more cards in his favor.

I agree with most of this. I didn't even bring up the carpet in my arguments because the two characters' flight capabilities are basically a moot point. They are both agile, fast flyers, and neither will be able to get an upper hand in the air in this fight. While Pan's mimicry and senses are nice, Aladdin is more cunning and smarter. Pan's tricks MAY catch him off guard once, but Aladdin is smarter and more likely to trick Pan than vise-versa. He is just a more cunning combatant; if he can trick Jafar, tricking Pan will be simple. Also playing against Pan is his incredible pride. I don't mean pride like Magneto's superiority complex, we're talking foolhardy, boyish, "I am perfect and literally cannot make mistakes" pride. After Wendy sews his shadow back on him, he admires how clever he is, saying that she "did a little." The book itself says there was never a cockier boy alive. That makes him all the more easy to trick as he underestimates Aladdin, and Aladdin will use that to his advantage.

Pan is also not strong-willed: after losing his shadow, he first thought they would merge together like drops of water, then tried to make it stick back on with soap, and when that failed, he broke down and cried. While he's a fun character and it's one of my favorite childhood stories, Pan is a young boy who cannot push himself through the harshities of fight club. Once Aladdin outsmarts him once or twice or lands a few hits, Pan is liable to break down and cry; can we blame him? He's just a kid! A kid Aladdin will make easy work of.