Venomaniac wrote:So I'm re-reading the articles, and I come accross this:
This brings to mind an interesting question? Would Mary Jane have taken drugs? After all, she was a party girl was she not? And isn't that one of the things that party girls did (in addition to sleeping around), particularly back in the late 60's and early 70's? It isn’t entirely out of the realm of possibility that Mary Jane would have experimented with drugs (after all, her very name is a synonym for marijuana - a fact that Stan Lee claimed to be ignorant of when he came up with her name). She wasn’t the square that Peter was, after all. BUT, we have to remember, much of MJ’s party girl personality was a façade, and an important part of maintaining that façade and keeping people ignorant of the pain that ate at her, was for her to remain in control of her faculties. Too much booze or too many drugs, and the party girl would have crumbled and shown her vulnerability, which would have been the last thing she would have wanted to happen. So, while it isn't beyond reason that MJ would have experimented with them (even inhaling a time or two, unlike a certain former President), I simply don’t believe she would have routinely taken drugs. She's the type of person who would have made the statement that she was "already high on life," and therefore didn't need the drugs that others were peddling. Also, as attractive as she was, she simply didn't have to indulge in drug or alcohol abuse to get herself noticed by young men. There's a poster on the Spider-Man Hype bulletin boards that vociferously disagreed with this assessment, probably moreso than any of the other points I made in these articles. Yes, it is true, with Mary Jane's troubled background, she had many of the red flags that do lead many young people into substance abuse - but isn't it possible that she had the strength of will to simply say no? That she saw enough of her father's ugly side (often no doubt brought on by too much alcohol) to realize that she did not want to be that way herself? I was raised by a woman who said no to mood-altering substances even though her background gave her every reason to do so as an excuse! And she deliberately married a man who was the exact opposite of the one she grew up with! So I just don't buy that every troubled kid going to school in the 1960's and 1970's was a druggie.
So it got me thinking: you don't think that MJ would have taken drugs when she was younger... but what about her sex life?
As seen in ASM #149 and 278 (I think... the one where she dates Alfredo) MJ apparently was not the shyest when it comes to intimate relations. Which poses the question of did she try to escape her crummy home and personal life with sex?
What are your thoughts?
I don't entirely dismiss the idea that she might have done drugs or alcohol in college (After all, this was the 60's & 70's when the comics were first issued - and in any era, with Harry being a druggie and Flash being an alcoholic, if she hung around those guys both would be readily available. And who gets out of college without having done one or the other or both (besides Peter Parker)? I know I certainly didn't - one, not both....) but the paragraph you quote was a response to a particular individual who was as sure as the sun rises and sets each day and dismissed my articles because he unflinchingly believed that Mary Jane simply HAD to have been doing those things because of her background. He also believed that Gwen couldn't possibly have slept with Norman Osborn because she wasn't looking for a father figure because she had a good relationship with her own father (as if that would be the only reason a younger woman might sleep with an older man). I was trying to say, "Dude, I don't know what crowd you run with, but no one is guaranteed to behave a particular way because of their background - else why do some kids with rotten parents turn out good, and kids from good families turn out bad?" I'm positive that MJ would not have been an abuser, but an experimenter? Certainly not out of the question, though for the reasons I cite above, I think once MJ saw how these substances compromised her emotional defenses, she would have been prone not to indulge further.
Sex is a different question. I tend to be one of those who believes that Peter might very well have lost his virginity between issues #149-150 (after all, he realizes that he is not a clone in issue #150 because he realizes that the intensity of his feelings for Mary Jane have eclipsed those of Gwen). And if he's 20-21 years old and still a virgin, he's likely going to be very awkward at first and need a little "guidance." So, I don't think MJ was a virgin at that time by any means, nor do I think she did without during the time after rejecting his first marriage proposal and accepting his later one. I'm sure that MJ could be a heartbreaker and a ballbuster (Someone like Harry Osborn really should have stayed far away from her). Yet, she wanted to be loved, but had almost a pathological fear of commitment. Feeling powerless in an abusive situation, and watching her father relentlessly beat her mother both physically and emotionally, she may have sought activities which gave her power. And sex would have given her tremendous power. Drugs and alcohol might have compromised her exercise of that power. I leave you to speculate just what road that would have taken her.
Now, would she have slept with Norman
, as Gwen did? Here I would definitely say no way. She could probably see right through Norman Osborn ("Before I knew he was the Green Goblin, I knew he was a man who lived with demons." Spectacular Spider-Man #250, I believe), knowing that in any relationship with him, she would lose. This also explains in part her attraction (and perhaps a bit of fear and uncertainty) to a dork like Peter Parker when she could have any man she wanted - one of the few good things about Spider-Man: Reign was this marvelous quote from MJ during one of the aging Peter's dream sequences "I didn't love you because you could put your fist through Flash Thompson's head - I loved you because you could but chose not to.
" She knew that Peter Parker had the power to take anything he wanted from her and she would have no power to stop him...but unlike many other men she had known.....he would never