Cheesedique wrote:Ha, ^ "villain rehab and a 90's detox", that's a good way to put it.
I know they've had a bit of success with Flash-Venom, but to me, they only go astray with Venom when they try to shoehorn him into some anti-hero role. Let him be a bad guy.
I personally had no problem with Brock as Venom's origins, or the fact that he was revealed to have been someone we'd never seen before. He was crazy, unhinged and out of touch with reality, like a celebrity stalker. And flush with power from the symbiote. It was fresh at the time (ASM #300 is my favorite comic of all time), but a modern take on Venom would probably take a bit of retooling. I think people took Brock's origin too literally or at face value. He was a disturbed individual.
Spidey's rogues gallery is currently really empty without Venom, IMHO.
I think in fairness though Flash as Venom is a completely different concept which works better than Brock. Brock was built from the start as a bad guy. He doesn't work as an anti-hero/hero. Flash does. They just both happen to be Venom. It's like Norman's Green Goblin compared to Phil Urich's. Same identity and abilities different concept entirely.
And both are good concepts but the thing is great hero concepts are frankly a dime a dozen. Great villains are gold dust. And villains are essential to the superhero narrative so removing good ones (particularly from one of your major hero's rogue's gallery) is creatively reductive in many ways. And on top of that...he is Spider-Man. That guy is Flash Thompson/Venom. Spidey is the star and the core title, Marvel's mascot even. You don't undermine Spider-Man for the sake of a spin-off character EVER! You serve him first and foremost.
That is exactly
how I see the character (and it's lent further credit due to how many OTHER stalkers showed up under Michelinie), I just don't think he was ever explained as that very well. People look at him and found him bad because his motivation made no sense. But that was the point. He was a hypocrite (remember he needlessly murdered and innocent man then was sad about it for five minutes before forgetting him) and someone who (in contrast to Spidey) was incapable of accepting personal responsibility for his actions, rewriting history to suit him. He couldn't accept it was HIS fault he got fired so he transferred the blame onto Spider-Man as a scapegoat since he was involved (also because being a religious guy who respects authority he probably didn't blame poor misguided Stan Carter).
And really given how the Bugle has dragged Spidey through the mud and built him up as a menace (plus the anonymity of his mask making him wonderfully dehumanised and easy to project onto) it makes sense Brock might choose Spidey as the focus of his anger. He's like those people who think they hear coded messages in music made by people they've never met and stalk them thereafter. And realistically Spider-Man WOULD have enemies he didn't even know about. Most celebrities who are attacked probably have no idea who their attackers are or how they are connected.
I think in adaptations they changed Brock to make him more easily understandable in his motivations, which for cartoons or films make a lot of sense.
Dude currently Venom is a space cadet, Doc Ock is dead or a hero, Green Goblin is who knows where depowered, Hobgoblin is maybe gonna join the Avengers, and God knows where the Jackal is. Basically right now Black Cat is THE Spider-Man villain.